American President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963. The accused assassin was a man named Lee Harvey Oswald. According to a subsequent investigation, Oswald had fired three rounds from a building known as the Texas School Book Depository. But what exactly happened inside this building shortly before, during, and after the shooting? That's the central question that this video attempts to answer.
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1964Mary Ferrell Foundation
In the aftermath of the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, President Lyndon Baines Johnson established the Warren Commission to investigate his murder. The commission was comprised of seven commissioners, 15 counsel members, and numerous staff members. In late September 1964, the Warren Commission famously concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald had acted alone. The final report was complemented by 26 volumes of hearings and exhibits. Many other documents have since been declassified, digitized, and made available online. This video does not rely upon the Warren Commission Report. Instead, it relies directly upon the witness testimony and documents from which the Warren Commission drew its conclusions. This reference links to a page on the Mary Ferrell Foundation website, which provides access to most of this material. Because this video depends on a limited set of sourcebooks, most references below follow a standardized abbreviation pattern. For instance, 10CH123 means Volume X of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits at page 123, while 123CD10 means Commission Document #123 at page 10. Many references have also been grouped together to reduce the number of citations required to be displayed in the video.
Abbreviations: ARRB: Assassination Records Review Board; CD: Commission Document; CE: Commission Exhibit; CH: Commission Hearings and Exhibits; CIA: Central Intelligence Agency; DCCO: Dallas County Constable's Office; DCSO: Dallas County Sheriff's Office; DPD: Dallas Police Department; FBI: Federal Bureau of Investigation; HSCA: House Select Committee on Assassinations; JFK: John Fitzgerald Kennedy; LHO: Lee Harvey Oswald; SN: Sniper's Nest; TSBD: Texas School Book Depository; USMS: United States Marshals Service; USPS: United States Postal Service; USSS: United States Secret Service; WC: Warren Commission
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November 15, 2013Art SwiftGallup
The opinion poll company Gallup has periodically queried the American public's belief in JFK assassination conspiracy theories about once or twice every decade or so. The latest poll was conducted in 2013 and found that 61% of people (1 039 adults from all 50 states were questioned via telephone) believed LHO did not act alone. But support for conspiracy theories has been trending downwards and might even have dropped below 50% over the past decade. A new poll will presumably be conducted near the end of 2023.
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#3The Hiring of Frazier
When he testified before the WC, Buell Wesley Frazier (went by his middle name in the 1960s; later went by his given name) stated he received a call from an employment agency known as "Massey" located at Shady Grove Road in Irving regarding a potential job opportunity at the TSBD. The only similarly named employment agency on that street was Manning Employment Agency. This was confirmed to be the correct name by Frazier himself (see the beginning of Chapter III in reference #227a) in his 2021 autobiography. Frazier was interviewed by Roy Sansom Truly at the TSBD on September 13, 1963, and was hired the same day. It's unclear if Frazier received the call from Manning on the same day he was hired or if this occurred some days prior.
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#a2CH212
Buell Wesley Frazier WC testimony.
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April 1, 1962The Irving Daily News TexanVol. 56No. 78P. 7
An article with more information regarding the Manning Employment Agency. Charles Arthur Manning opened a television repair shop in 1954. His wife Emeline Izora Manning (née Lovellette) then opened the Manning Employment Agency "next door to her husband" at 1820 West Shady Grove Road, Irving, in 1958.
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October 27, 1963The Irving News TexanVol. 58No. 252P. 10
Example of a newspaper advert by the Manning Employment Agency.
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#4The Randle and Paine Households
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#a2CH211
Buell Wesley Frazier WC testimony.
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#b2CH245
When she testified before the WC, Linnie Mae Randle gave her address as 2438 Westfield, Irving, supposedly located at the intersection of Westfield and West Fifth Street. But there was no street called Westfield in Irving back in 1963, nor does one exist today. Randle's actual address was 2439 West Fifth Street, located at the intersection of Westbrook Drive and West Fifth Street. It's possible that Randle got it wrong or, perhaps, the stenographer misheard "West Fifth" as "Westfield" and recorded a house number off by one digit. When questioned by the FBI (see 7CD298) a few months prior, Randle gave them the correct address.
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#c2CH431
Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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This booklet was assembled by the FBI and contains photographs, diagrams, and other information regarding the homes of Ruth Avery Paine and Linnie Mae Randle. Some of these images were also reproduced (sometimes in superior quality) in CE429-CE448, CE450, and CE452 (17CH157-171). The photographs were taken (see 897CD153-156) on March 9-10, 1964, by FBI Special Agent Arthur E. Carter.
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#5The Neighborly Chat
On October 14, 1963, Ruth Avery Paine, Linnie Mae Randle, and Marina Nikolayevna Oswald met by chance at the house of Dorothy Roberts over a cup of coffee. When the topic of conversation turned to LHO's unemployment, Randle mentioned that her younger brother, Buell Wesley Frazier, had recently been hired at the TSBD and that "there might be another opening there." The TSBD was merely one of at least three companies mentioned during the conversation. The other two were the Texas Gypsum Company, Inc. at 108 County Line Road, Irving, and Manor Bakery at 3500 Manor Way, Dallas. Paine did not comment on Texas Gypsum but ruled out Manor Bakery because LHO lacked a driver's license. Marina struggled to participate in the conversation due to her limited understanding of English.
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#a87CD492-493
Dorothy Roberts USSS interview.
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#b87CD184-186
Linnie Mae Randle USSS interview.
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#c87CD195
Ruth Avery Paine USSS interview.
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#d2CH245-247
Linnie Mae Randle WC testimony.
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#e3CH33-35
Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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Marina Nikolayevna Oswald WC testimony.
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September 27, 1964CBSNational Archives and Records Administration & Internet Archive00:17:20-00:19:10
Ruth Avery Paine, Linnie Mae Randle, and Roy Sansom Truly were all interviewed by CBS News in 1964 and related the circumstances which led to LHO becoming employed at the TSBD.
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#6Marina Moves In With Paine
Due to LHO's chronic unemployment, erratic behavior, and other problems, Marina Nikolayevna Oswald intermittently left him to stay with friends. One of them was Ruth Avery Paine. On April 24, 1963, Marina moved in with Paine in Irving and stayed with her for about two weeks. On September 24, Marina moved in with Paine once more and remained with her until November 23.
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#a1CH19, 26
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald WC testimony.
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#b87CD193-194
Ruth Avery Paine USSS interview.
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#c2CH507
Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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#73CH34
Quote by Ruth Avery Paine.
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#8The Hiring of Oswald
At the request of Marina Nikolayevna Oswald, Ruth Avery Paine called Roy Sansom Truly on October 14, 1963, and inquired about any vacancies at the TSBD on behalf of LHO. Later that evening, Paine and Marina spoke with LHO over the phone and told him to go down to the TSBD and speak with Truly. LHO was interviewed and hired by Truly on October 15 and began work the following morning.
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#a1CH52
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald WC testimony.
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#b3CH34-37
Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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#c87CD792
Roy Sansom Truly USSS sworn statement.
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#d296CD10
USPS Postal Inspector Harry Dean Holmes participated in the last interrogation of LHO on November 24, 1963. According to Holmes, when LHO was asked how he learned about a vacancy at the TSBD, he stated he could "not recall just who told me about it, but I learned it from people in Mrs. Paynes' [sic] neighborhood" and that it was "general information in the neighborhood". It falls short of corroboration but is perfectly consistent with the accounts of Ruth Avery Paine and others.
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#93CH213
Quote by Roy Sansom Truly.
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#103CH237
Quote by Roy Sansom Truly.
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February 21, 1964Donald JacksonLife MagazineVol. 56No. 8P. 78
Quote by Roy Sansom Truly.
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#123CH237
When he testified before the WC, Roy Sansom Truly mentioned he hired another employee who applied for a job at the TSBD on the same day as LHO. Truly told Life Magazine the same thing during a press interview (see reference #11) a month prior. Unfortunately, Truly does not reveal his name. While Oswald was placed at the TSBD building at 411 Elm Street, this other employee was placed at the TSBD warehouse at 1917 North Houston Street, a bit further north. We only know that he was let go on November 15, 1963. Work at the TSBD was quite taxing. It was common for people to only work a few weeks at a time.
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#13Oswald's Duties
LHO worked as an Order Filler and had access to all seven floors of the TSBD, including the basement. His pay was $1.25 per hour, minimum wage back in 1963. He was expected to fill out book orders and to prepare those books for shipping by hauling them from one of the upper floors down to the first.
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#a3CH214-216
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#b1CH53
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald WC testimony.
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This booklet was assembled by the FBI and contains interior photographs and floor plan diagrams of the TSBD. The photographs were taken (see 897CD149-152) on March 7 and 10, 1964, by FBI Special Agents Ivan Deloss Lee and Arthur E. Carter.
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#15Oswald's Driving Ability
LHO had driven a car once or twice but did not possess a driver's license. He was in the process of getting a driver's license at the time of the assassination. He was taking driving lessons with Ruth Avery Paine and partially filled out a driver's license application.
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#a2CH217-219
Buell Wesley Frazier WC testimony.
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#b2CH412-413
Michael Ralph Paine WC testimony.
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Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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Photograph of a Texas driver's license application, partially filled out by LHO.
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#16Oswald's Weekend Visits
After getting hired at the TSBD, LHO spent workdays at a rooming house (see reference #17) in Dallas and visited his wife and two infant daughters in Irving on the weekends.
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#1710CH293-294
LHO began renting a room at 1026 North Beckley Avenue, Dallas, on October 14, 1963. The rooming house was owned by landlady Amy Gladys Johnson (née Key; went by her middle name).
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#182CH222-223
Quote by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#1987CD795
Quote by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#20Oswald's Surprise Visit
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#211CH65-66, 68-69
Quotes by Marina Nikolayevna Oswald.
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#22Oswald's Morning Departure
According to Marina Nikolayevna Oswald, LHO had already left the residence of Ruth Avery Paine by 07:15 AM on November 22, 1963. Buell Wesley Frazier saw LHO outside his sister's house at approximately 07:21 AM. After the assassination, Ruth Avery Paine found LHO's wedding ring inside a teacup atop a dresser in the guest bedroom where Marina and LHO had slept. Linnie Mae Randle saw Oswald through her kitchen window (see reference #4d for some photographs) as he crossed Westbrook Drive. He was carrying a package (see reference #176 for more about the package) in his right hand. When Frazier got in his car with LHO, he noticed the package resting on the backseat.
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#a1CH66, 72-73
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald WC testimony.
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Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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#c2CH248-251
Linnie Mae Randle WC testimony.
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#d2CH224-226
Buell Wesley Frazier WC testimony.
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#e7CD98
The neighbors of Linnie Mae Randle, Buell Wesley Frazier, and Ruth Avery Paine were also questioned by the FBI, but no one else had seen LHO on the morning of November 22, 1963.
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#232CH226
Quote by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#242CH220, 228
Quotes by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#25Oswald and Frazier Arrive In Dallas
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#a2CH227-228
Buell Wesley Frazier WC testimony.
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#b897CD23-24
Buell Wesley Frazier FBI interview.
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#26Dougherty's Observation of Oswald
Jack Edwin Dougherty told both the FBI and the WC (see reference #173 for more about Dougherty) that he saw LHO arriving at work on November 22, 1963, around 08:00 AM. He was sitting somewhere on the wrapping table on the first floor. What appears to be a large scale (see reference #181g for photographs) occupied the northeast corner of the table so I placed Dougherty on the northwest corner in the video. But Dougherty never clarified exactly where he sat on the table. Dougherty insisted he did not see LHO carrying a package, but he also described the sighting as "vague" and catching LHO "out of the corner of my eye". Dougherty never stated where LHO went after he had entered the TSBD. If LHO turned right immediately upon entering the building, he could've easily taken the east freight elevator up to the sixth floor and hidden the package before being spotted by anyone else.
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#a19CH621
Jack Edwin Dougherty FBI interview.
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#b6CH376-377
Jack Edwin Dougherty WC testimony.
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#276CH376
Quote by Jack Edwin Dougherty.
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#28Employees Observe Oswald Working
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#a3CH216-219
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#b6CH328
William Hoyt Shelley WC testimony.
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#c5CD332
Billy Nolan Lovelady FBI interview.
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#d205CD7
Daniel Garcia Arce FBI signed statement.
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#292CH219
Quote by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#3087CD797
Quote by Harold Dean Norman.
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#316CH394
Quote by Geneva Lucile Hine.
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#32Jarman Tells Oswald About Motorcade
James Earl Jarman observed LHO standing by a window on the first floor of the TSBD between 09:00 and 10:30 AM on November 22, 1963. Jarman approached the window, and LHO asked him "what all the people were doing standing on the street." Jarman informed LHO that JFK was "supposed to come this way sometime this morning." LHO asked Jarman, "Which way do you think he is coming?" Jarman told LHO that JFK would "probably come down Main Street and turn on Houston and then go down Elm Street." LHO responded, "Oh, I see," or "Yes, I see." The conversation lasted for approximately three or four minutes. Jarman neglected to mention by which window the conversation took place. It was "between two rows of bins" somewhere on the first floor, and they could see spectators gathering outside, so it must have been one of the five south-facing windows to the west of the main entrance.
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#a87CD274
James Earl Jarman DCSO affidavit.
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James Earl Jarman WC testimony.
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#c3CH188
Harold Dean Norman also recalled seeing LHO looking out a window facing Elm Street around 10:00 AM. However, he didn't mentioned James Earl Jarman nor did he speak to LHO himself.
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June 25, 1967CBSC-SPAN15:00-15:20
In 1967, Harold Dean Norman was interviewed by CBS News. Norman told them that "three or four" TSBD employees (including himself) had stood by a window on the morning of November 22, 1963. Oswald had then approached and asked them, "What's everybody looking at?" or "What's everybody so excited about?" They responded that they were "waiting on the President" before Oswald walked away. Norman mentioned neither floor nor direction, but it resembles the encounter described by James Earl Jarman.
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#33Breeze Blocks On the First Floor
Some background information regarding the decorative masonry (breeze blocks, concrete latticework, etc.) that used to cover the first-floor windows of the TSBD back in 1963. Eddie Piper watched the motorcade through one of these windows and stated (see 6CH383) that he could "see out the window" just fine, although his view was still obstructed by the throng of people outside.
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The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
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April 2, 2020The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey PlazaFacebook
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#cFragmentsNovember 2, 2021The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey PlazaFacebook
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The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
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Quote by James Earl Jarman.
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#35Employees Learn of Motorcade Route
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#a3CH209
James Earl Jarman learned that JFK would pass by the TSBD when he overheard William Hoyt Shelly talking about the motorcade route with an unknown female employee between 08:30 and 09:00 AM on November 22, 1963.
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#b3CH178
Bonnie Ray Williams was aware of the motorcade prior to November 22, 1963, but only learned of its precise route and timing on the morning of November 22.
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#c205CD6-7
Daniel Garcia Arce does not explicitly state but implies he learned that JFK would pass by the TSBD from William Hoyt Shelley on the morning of November 22, 1963.
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Roy Sansom Truly reportedly told FBI Special Agent James Patrick Hosty that he was "completely unaware" of the motorcade route before reading a front-page article in the Dallas Times Herald (see reference #37f) on the morning of November 21, 1963. Truly added that "there was immediately considerable excitement and conversation among the employees at the TSBD concerning the fact that the parade would pass right in front of their building." According to Hosty, who later recounted this interview (see 4CH472), Truly had told him that the morning of November 21 was "the first time anyone at the Texas School Book Depository realized the motorcade was going to pass directly in front of their building." Knowledge of the motorcade route was clearly a belated affair.
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S1E405:35-06:05
Buell Wesley Frazier was interviewed for this History Channel documentary series that aired in 1991. During their morning commute on November 22, 1963, Frazier recalled that he mentioned to LHO that "President Kennedy's gonna be coming to town today" and that he "sure would like to get a chance to see him up close." Frazier was unaware that "the motorcade in which he would be riding would come right by where we worked." LHO did not "make any comment at all" regarding the visit, and it "didn't seem to interest him one way or the other." However, these claims must be taken with a grain of salt. Frazier testified before the WC in 1964 that he never discussed JFK's upcoming visit with LHO, including during their morning commute on November 22.
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#36The Motorcade Route Selection
In late September of 1963, rumors began circulating that JFK was planning a political tour of Texas. On November 4, the USSS was informed that JFK was "definitely planning" such a trip. One of the cities that JFK was scheduled to visit was Dallas, where he would attend a midday luncheon. At least four venues were considered for the luncheon site. The Statler Hilton Hotel at 1914 Commerce Street and the Dallas Market Hall at 2200 North Stemmons Freeway had already been reserved. The other two options were the Women's Building at Fair Park and the Dallas Trade Mart at 2100 North Stemmons Freeway. On November 14, USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels and USSS Special Agent Winston George Lawson (both of whom were tasked with making advance preparations for the trip) were informed that the banquet would be held at the Trade Mart. This decision had been delayed due to security concerns and political infighting among liberal and conservative wings of the Democratic Party. It was described as a bitter "feud" by political advance man Gerald Joseph Bruno and a "heated argument" by Texas Governor John Bowden Connally. The Women's Building was the preferred choice of both the White House and the USSS (security-wise), but the interior was deemed "unseemly for a President" and "not satisfactory for that type of function" due to its "low ceilings, exposed air-conditioning, and highly visible steel suspension supports." While the Trade Mart was "new and attractive", it could accommodate fewer guests and was more difficult to secure due to its spacious layout and many entrances. But conservative Democrats like Governor Connally and Frank Craig Erwin preferred the Trade Mart due to its "generally impressive" architecture that "had the style and flair of the Kennedys themselves." Furthermore, it was located in the "prime commercial center" of Dallas, which attracted a more conservative crowd. The Women's Building would have enabled JFK to reach more liberal and diverse communities, including minorities and the working class. Bruno characterized the Trade Mart as "a rich people's luncheon: a way of identifying Kennedy with the Dallas establishment." To mollify conservatives like Connally and Erwin, it was decided on November 14 that the Trade Mart would host the banquet. However, Connally and Erwin were opposed to a motorcade. They were concerned a motorcade would place excessive strain on JFK and feared he might be publicly embarrassed should right-wing extremists stage a protest. Had the motorcade been rejected, JFK would have been escorted directly from Love Field airport via West Mockingbird Lane to Harry Hines Boulevard to Industrial Boulevard (today known as Market Center Boulevard; also known as Riverfront Boulevard further south) to the Trade Mart. This was the planned departure route (in reverse) following the conclusion of the luncheon. But JFK insisted on a motorcade, and, regrettably, it was now Connally and Erwin who deferred to the President. At least two routes to the Women's Building and three routes to the Trade Mart were considered. Had the Women's Building been selected, the motorcade would have sped through Dealey Plaza eastward on Main Street. The selection of the Trade Mart necessitated a westward procession. The motorcade could have proceeded straight ahead on Main Street and taken Industrial Boulevard to the Trade Mart. But, according to DPD Deputy Chief George Laster Lumpkin, this route was rejected because it ran through a run-down industrial district "filled with winos and broken pavement." Likewise, USSS Special Agent Samuel Allen Kinney told author Vincent Palarma in 1994 that Industrial Boulevard went through "the 'undesirable' part of town" and that it was reserved as an "escape route" in case of emergency. So Stemmons Freeway was favored over Industrial Boulevard for the same reason the Trade Mart was favored over the Women's Building; it was deemed more visually striking. In the succinct words of DPD Chief Jesse Edward Curry, Stemmons Freeway was "a more scenic route". Apart from optics and aesthetics, the decision was also motivated by time constraints. According to Sorrels, Stemmons Freeway was favored because it was "the most direct [...] and the most rapid route to the Trade Mart." It should go without saying that a broken boulevard would have been less impressive and significantly slower than a high-speed expressway. The only way for the motorcade to reach the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway was to switch from Main to Elm Street before the Triple Underpass. In other words, the Main-Houston-Elm dogleg was never actually chosen but necessitated by the choice to use Stemmons Freeway. This dogleg is how all westbound traffic on Main Street did (and still does) reach the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway. The USSS first test-drove this route on November 14, but it wasn't finalized until November 18. Some authors dismiss these explanations by placing excessive emphasis on security. The argument tends to be that the Women's Building was easier to secure and should therefore have been chosen over the Trade Mart for that reason alone. Likewise, the dogleg through Dealey Plaza posed a security risk and should thus have been avoided at all costs by rerouting the motorcade. The implication is that those who contributed to the route's selection exposed JFK to needless risk. But these security-focused hindsight arguments fail to consider the aforementioned political concerns. To quote the HSCA, "[T]he evidence indicates that political considerations dictated that there would be a motorcade, and what its route would be, and that the Secret Service's protective responsibilities were subordinated to those political considerations." In simpler terms, the resulting motorcade was a compromise between security and politics, where the latter took priority. When asked by the WC if the motorcade route "pretty much mapped itself" after the selection of the Trade Mart, Sorrels responded, "Yes, sir; that is right." Years later, the HSCA reached the same conclusion when they observed that the motorcade route "was a simple by-product of the decision to hold the luncheon at the Trade Mart." In short, the selection of the Trade Mart did not guarantee the Main-Houston-Elm dogleg but was a logical, probable, and predictable consequence of that decision.
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A detailed investigation by the HSCA regarding the selection of the motorcade route and the luncheon site found "no evidence of conspiracy in the processes that led to the use of the motorcade or the selection of its route." The report also found that "traditional Democratic Party politics [...] characterized by a struggle between liberal and conservative wings of the party" played a key role in the selection of the motorcade route. The report went on to say, "In the end, ironically, it was the tension and compromise between the two views that produced the fatal motorcade route. If either side had been able to dictate its desires without compromise, the assassination might never have occurred."
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A declassified report that chronicle the internal planning of JFK's visit to Texas by the USSS. Other reports in this document (especially the exhibits) are also relevant, but Appendix A is the most significant.
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This letter sent by USSS Director James Joseph Rowley to WC General Counsel James Lee Rankin, outlines the process by which information regarding the motorcade was disseminated to the press.
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#d81.1CD54-59
A report concerning preparations for the motorcade, signed by DPD Assistant Chief Charles Batchelor, DPD Deputy Chief George Laster Lumpkin, and DPD Deputy Chief Marshall Worcestor Stevenson.
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Report by USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels.
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#f7CH336-338
USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels WC testimony.
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USSS Special Agent Winston George Lawson WC testimony.
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November 24, 1967John ConnallyLIFE MagazineVol. 63No. 21P. 100B
Texas Governor John Bowden Connally wrote an article for LIFE magazine in 1967 in which he briefly outlined the planning of JFK's visit to Dallas. Connally wrote that he "wanted to skip the motorcade and go directly to the Trade Mart for the luncheon." Connally characterized the selection of the luncheon site as a "heated argument" between JFK's advance people and his own planning staff.
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1971Jerry Bruno & Jeff GreenfieldWilliam Morrow and Company, Inc. & Bantam BooksP. 88-92
Political advance man Gerald Joseph Bruno (known as Jerry Bruno) played a vital role in the decision-making process that led the motorcade to pass by the TSBD. I think it's best to quote Bruno directly because he really cuts to the heart of this whole motorcade issue: "So until less than a week before Kennedy's Texas trip, the Dallas luncheon site was the one part of the trip that hadn't been locked up. It's for this reason that I was never able to believe the conspiracy stories afterward. The motorcade routes for every other city were released weeks in advance. Anybody planning to kill the President could have planned it for any city except Dallas - because the motorcade route wasn't known until a day or two before the President's visit."
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#j4CH169-170
Even though he was "not particularly" involved in planning the motorcade route, DPD Chief Jesse Edward Curry was still the Chief of Police and participated in meetings and spoke with USSS agents and other high-ranking DPD officers. Curry told the WC that if the intention was to "go through the downtown area", the Central Expressway was the most direct route from Love Field Airport to Main Street. Instead, the initial stretch was routed through a suburban area because it was "a more scenic route and more people would have an opportunity to see the motorcade." Regarding the stretch between Main Street and the Trade Mart, Curry stated there were only two options; Stemmons Freeway and Industrial Boulevard. According to Curry, Industrial Boulevard was rejected because it was "heavily traveled by commercial vehicles and goes through a commercial section of the industrial area." Stemmons Freeway was "probably the most direct route", "a more scenic route", and "easier to travel" due to "a freer flow of traffic".
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Aerial photograph showing the beginning of a Stemmons Freeway on-ramp, west of the Triple Underpass. The photograph demonstrates that Elm Street is the only lane by which westbound traffic can access the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway. In other words, a motorcade traveling west on Main Street and intending to reach the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway must first switch to Elm Street before the Triple Underpass and thereby pass the TSBD.
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National Archives and Records AdministrationP. 1-106
Some authors have suggested that parades in Dallas always follow the same or a similar (and therefore predictable) route through the city. If true, an assassin could theoretically have predicted that the JFK motorcade would pass by the TSBD long before the actual route was announced. This USSS report does not support that assertion. Parades typically processed east or west on Main Street but, otherwise, followed no predictable route through Dallas. A lone assassin could have taken a wild guess but not reasonably predicted the motorcade would pass by the TSBD before the luncheon site and approximate route were publicized (see reference #37) on November 16. Considering the motorcade was virtually guaranteed to pass through the city's main thoroughfare, the assassin could've made his job a whole lot easier had he, instead, taken up a position somewhere along Main Street. While these documents are also available (see 1499CD) on the Mary Farrell Foundation website, they're of rather poor quality and difficult to read. Instead, I've linked to the same but perfectly legible documents provided by the US National Archives. The pages are organized in reverse chronological order, so the report starts at page 106 and ends at page 1.
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#m329CD5-6
In an interview with the FBI, Roy Sansom Truly explained that reaching Stemmons Freeway from Main Street was possible without passing by the TSBD. Truly offered two alternative routes. The first alternative was to turn right at Lamar Street (four blocks east of Houston Street) and reach the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway at Continental Avenue. There's no evidence that such a route was ever considered. Parades (see reference #36l) typically traversed the full length of Main Street unless there was a reason to deviate midway. For instance, when Army General Douglas MacArthur paraded through Dallas in 1951, his destination was the Adolphus Hotel at 1321 Commerce Street. The motorcade began in Dealey Plaza and drove westward on Main Street. But instead of turning right at Field Street (near the Adolphus Hotel), the motorcade proceeded all the way up to Harwood Street (the same street from which JFK entered Main Street) before doubling back on Commerce Street. The whole point of a motorcade is to maximize exposure. A premature departure from the city's main thoroughfare would have been antithetical to that goal. Also, once the selection of the Trade Mart was announced, columnists immediately assumed (see reference #37) the JFK motorcade would traverse the entire length of Main Street. The second alternative route offered by Truly went through the Triple Underpass on Main Street before turning north at Industrial Boulevard and then "onto Stemmons Freeway and the Trade Mart." Truly was presumably thinking of Continental Avenue once again, as that would have been the only means of reaching the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway from Industrial Boulevard. But this would have been needlessly circuitous. Both Industrial Boulevard and Stemmons Freeway provided direct access to the Trade Mart. To start driving down Industrial Boulevard before switching to Stemmons Freeway would have served no purpose.
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2013Vincent Michael PalarmaTrine Day LLCP. 95-116
In a chapter titled The Trade Mart & The Mystery of the Motorcade Route, author Vincent Michael Palarma imbues the selection of the luncheon site and motorcade route with an air of mystery by emphasizing the security concerns of the USSS. For instance, Palarma takes issue with the decision to host the luncheon at the Trade Mart because the Women's Building was easier to secure. He contends that USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels "prematurely approved" and "was swaying the early decision" towards the Trade Mart against his better judgment. Had security concerns alone dictated the selection of the Trade Mart, Palarma would indeed be correct. It would indeed have been strange for Sorrels and the USSS to prefer a location more difficult to secure. But security was but one of many considerations. Texas Governor John Bowden Connally preferred the Trade Mart for political reasons. The building was newly constructed, had an impressive and spacious interior, and aligned with Connally's more conservative interests. Palarma does mention this, but it's framed as though Connally had some nefarious motive to prefer the Trade Mart. Regarding the selection of the motorcade route, Palarma characterizes the Main-Houston-Elm dogleg as a deliberate choice made by one or more USSS agents. It's described as a "slow, 120 degree turn, which was a violation of Secret Service protocol and common sense". But this part of the route was just a byproduct of using Stemmons Freeway to reach the Trade Mart. Any westbound traffic on Main Street intending to reach the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway (motorcade or otherwise) would have made those turns. The motorcade simply followed normal traffic patterns. The day before, on November 21, JFK rode in a motorcade that made a similarly slow and sharp turn in the middle of downtown San Antonio from North Houston Street to North St Mary's Street. Granted, it was not as sharp as 120 degrees (more like 90 degrees), but it forced the motorcade to a crawl at a cramped intersection surrounded by tall buildings and cheering crowds in the center of town. Turns of this nature can easily be found in other motorcades as well. Palarma also quotes multiple people saying the route was altered just a few days before the visit and that there were "alternate routes" besides the one selected. These alternative routes have been known since 1964. Sorrels told the WC that one alternative route would have taken the Central Expressway from Love Field Airport to Main Street instead of the suburban route that was ultimately selected. USSS Special Agent Winston George Lawson told the WC that they "could have taken a city street-type route all the way downtown and all the way back, or we could have taken a freeway downtown and a freeway back." In other words, alternative routes included alterations to all portions of the route. They were not limited to the tiny portion centered around Dealey Plaza. In fact, the only change that could have affected the Dealey Plaza portion of the trip was the use of either Stemmons Freeway or Industrial Boulevard to reach the Trade Mart. Palarma quotes three individuals who collectively offered a reasonable explanation for rejecting the latter. DPD Patrolman Bobby Joe Dale stated that "three possible routes" were considered. Two of them were "escape routes" in case of emergency. According to USSS Special Agent Samuel Allen Kinney, "We had two routes - one was through the...how should I say? You have to be careful today: the 'undesirable' part of town was our escape route." Finally, DPD Deputy Chief George Laster Lumpkin told the HSCA that Industrial Boulevard was rejected because it was "filled with winos and broken pavement." Even though the obvious takeaway has to be that Industrial Boulevard was relegated to an escape route due to optics and poor infrastructure, Palarma frames the rejection of Industrial Boulevard as a mystery without explanation. He writes, "Agent Kinney could not give the author a reason this direct route to the Trade Mart wasn't used," immediately before quoting Kinney's perfectly sound reason for why the route wasn't used. Curiously, this explanation is supported by an offhand comment (see reference #36m) by Roy Sansom Truly. Truly reportedly told the FBI that Industrial Boulevard (and an unrelated route) was "better from a political consideration" because it would have gone through a factory district where "large numbers of industrial employees" might have observed the parade. Instead, Truly grumbled that "the route actually chosen was through a predominantly 'white collar' district and passed very few if any industrial plants." This comment by Truly unintentionally confirms that the selected motorcade route did indeed avoid "undesirable" parts of town like Industrial Boulevard. The cited page numbers refer to the paperback edition.
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November 22, 1963Todd Wayne VaughanHood College; The Harold Weisberg Archive
A list of vehicles that participated in the motorcade. There's also an official but less comprehensive list (see 3CD32) within the WC volumes.
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#37The Motorcade and the Press
Details regarding the motorcade were first announced by the Dallas Morning News on the morning of November 16, 1963. The plan was for JFK to land at Love Field Airport around noon and be driven through downtown Dallas before attending a luncheon at the "Trade Mart on Stemmons Freeway" at 12:30 PM. The motorcade route had not yet been "firmly established" but was expected to take JFK "west on Main Street before turning north after driving through the Triple Underpass." From this information alone, a person familiar with Dallas could've deduced (with a bit of luck) that the motorcade would take Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart and thus pass by the TSBD around 12:25 PM (actually 12:30 PM due to delays; see reference #58) on November 22. The precise route was made public on November 19. Both the Dallas Times Herald and Dallas Morning News published maps of the route on November 21 and 22, respectively.
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November 15, 1963Carl FreundDallas Morning NewsVol. 115No. 53
On the morning of November 15, 1963, the Dallas Morning News reported that a presidential motorcade through Dallas seemed unlikely. It preceded the announcement of the motorcade (see reference #37c below) by one day.
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November 15, 1963Dallas Times HeraldVol. 87No. 285P. A-23 & A-28
The Dallas Times Herald (evening publication) announced the luncheon site (Trade Mart) ahead of the Dallas Morning News (morning publication) in the afternoon of November 15, 1963. But unlike the Dallas Morning News, the Dallas Times Herald did not mention the motorcade nor its route. This edition of the Dallas Times Herald does not appear to be available online, so I've referenced a clipping of the article instead.
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November 16, 1963Carl FreundDallas Morning NewsVol. 115No. 47P. 1
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November 19, 1963Dalas Morning NewsVol. 115No. 50P. 1
The precise route of the motorcade was first outlined by the Dallas Morning News on November 19, 1963. This specific edition of the Dallas Morning News does not appear to be available online, so I've referenced a clipping of the article instead.
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November 19, 1963Jim LehrerDallas Times HeraldVol. 87No. 289P. 1 & A-13
In the afternoon of November 19, 1963, the Dallas Times Herald also reported on the precise route of the motorcade. This edition of the Dallas Times Herald does not appear to be available online, so I've referenced a clipping of the article instead.
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November 21, 1963Dallas Times HeraldVol. 87No. 291P. 1
The Dallas Times Herald published a map of the motorcade route on the afternoon of November 21, 1963. The map was even detailed enough to show the Main-Houston-Elm dogleg that brought the motorcade near the TSBD. This edition of the Dallas Times Herald does not appear to be available online, so I've referenced an image of the frontpage instead.
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November 22, 1963Dallas Morning NewsVol. 115No. 53P. 1
The Dallas Morning News published a tiny map of the motorcade route on the morning of November 22, 1963. Some find it suspicious that the Main-Houston-Elm dogleg was omitted from this map. Well, if we're gonna nitpick, let's not discriminate. To start with, the route doesn't show the bend of Mockingbird Lane before its intersection with Lemmon Avenue. Instead, it incorrectly depicts Mockingbird Lane as a straight line. The route doesn't show the irregular curving of Turtle Creek Boulevard. Instead, it incorrectly depicts Turtle Creek Boulevard as one smooth curve. Some believe the route is supposed to show a motorcade proceeding through the Triple Underpass on Main Street before heading north on Stemmons Freeway, but that's not possible. Westbound traffic on Main Street had to switch to Elm Street before the Triple Underpass to reach the northbound lanes of Stemmons Freeway. However, the smooth curve from Main Street to Stemmons Freeway is consistent with the on-ramp accessible from Elm Street. The route completely ignored the various straight and curved sections of Stemmons Freeway. Lastly, the turn from Stemmons Freeway onto Industrial Boulevard just before the motorcade entered the Trade Mart's west parking lot was completely omitted. Also, the black rectangle supposed to represent the Trade Mart is oriented toward Stemmons Freeway. In reality, the Trade Mart was oriented toward Industrial Boulevard. It's almost as though the map was a crude simplification intended to visualize the general route of the motorcade. This whole thing is so dumb. I regret typing all of this.
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#38Oswald Reading Political Columns
Bonnie Ray Williams and William Hoyt Shelley recalled that LHO liked reading newspaper articles about politics. Charles Douglas Givens did not mention the contents of what LHO read but confirmed that he would read the local papers typically brought in by James Earl Jarman and Harold Dean Norman.
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#a3CH164, 178
When asked by the WC whether he knew the precise route of the motorcade before November 22, 1963, Bonnie Ray Williams responded, "No, sir; I didn't know the exact way it was coming, because I hadn't been reading the papers." Williams explained that "about the only thing" he'd read in the papers was the sports section and remarked that LHO "never would read the sports."
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William Hoyt Shelley DCSO affidavit.
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Charles Douglas Givens WC testimony.
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November 22, 2013William Slatter; WDSU NewsWDSU-TV; YouTube
I couldn't find a definitive source on when this interview was recorded. According to WDSU radio broadcaster William Kirk Stuckey (see 11CH175), WDSU anchorman William Slatter interviewed LHO on camera on August 21, 1963, following a radio debate. But other sources suggest it was August 16 or 17. The WDSU merely states it was recorded sometime in August.
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Quote by Marina Nikolayevna Oswald.
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#41The Flooring Crew
A few weeks before the assassination, Roy Sansom Truly instructed some of his employees to lay a new plywood floor on the fifth floor of the TSBD. By November 22, 1963, they were done with the fifth floor and had recently moved up to the sixth floor. Among them were Bonnie Ray Williams, Charles Douglas Givens, Daniel Garcia Arce, Billy Nolan Lovelady, and William Hoyt Shelley. According to Williams, Harold Dean Norman would help out on occasion. Norman stated he only went up there "shooting the breeze". Jack Edwin Dougherty moved stock on the same floor but evidently did not partake in the floor-laying.
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#a3CH231
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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William Hoyt Shelley WC testimony.
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Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony.
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#d3CH187-188
Harold Dean Norman WC testimony.
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Billy Nolan Lovelady WC testimony.
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Charles Douglas Givens WC testimony.
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Daniel Garcia Arce WC testimony.
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Jack Edwin Dougherty WC testimony.
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#42205CD10
Quote by Daniel Garcia Arce. LHO was apparently teased about his hair on multiple occasions. Years after the assassination (see page 86 of reference #103h), Roy Edward Lewis told author Larry Sneed, "He never wanted to get a haircut. We would tease him about it because hair would be growing down his neck. We told him a week or two before the assassination that we were going to throw him down and cut it ourselves, but he just smiled."
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#43The Elevator Race
Bonnie Ray Williams, Charles Douglas Givens, Daniel Garcia Arce, and Billy Nolan Lovelady raced the two rear freight elevators from the sixth floor to the first shortly before noon on November 22, 1963. This was apparently a game they liked to play on occasion. Times given by those who participated ranged from 11:30 AM to 12:00 PM. It's unclear who rode in which elevator. William Hoyt Shelley might have participated in the race (he was their foreman and participated in the floor-laying; see reference #41), but he never explicitly said he did. James Earl Jarman did, however, observe all five of them arrive on the first floor around 11:45. While descending, they saw and heard LHO standing by the gate of the east elevator on the fifth floor. LHO called for them to stop and/or close the gate to the west elevator upon reaching the first floor. According to Lovelady, it took 30 seconds to ride an elevator from the seventh to the first floor.
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Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony.
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Billy Nolan Lovelady WC testimony.
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Billy Nolan Lovelady FBI interview.
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Charles Douglas Givens WC testimony.
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Daniel Garcia Arce WC testimony.
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James Earl Jarman DCSO affidavit.
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William Hoyt Shelley WC testimony.
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#44The Freight Elevators
The west freight elevator could be summoned with the press of a button from any floor as long as two gates (presumably an outer gate attached to the shaft opening on each floor and an inner gate attached to the carriage) were closed. The east elevator apparently only had one gate and had to be manually operated from within the carriage.
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#45Encounter Between Givens and Oswald
According to an FBI summary report, Charles Douglas Givens told them that he saw LHO "reading a newspaper in the domino room where the employees eat lunch about 11:50 A.M." on November 22, 1963. The Domino Room refers to the lunchroom on the first floor of the TSBD. When he testified before the WC over four months later, Givens denied making such a statement. Givens explained that LHO would "generally sit in [the domino room] every morning" and read yesterday's newspaper but "he didn't that morning because he didn't go in the domino room that morning." Instead, Givens now claimed to have seen LHO on the sixth floor at approximately 11:55 AM. According to Givens, he'd taken an elevator up to the sixth floor to retrieve his jacket and a packet of cigarettes. He fetched his jacket from the southwest corner and returned to the elevators. Just as he was about to get back on, Givens spotted LHO approaching from the southeast corner with a clipboard in hand. Givens asked LHO if he was going downstairs because it was near lunchtime. LHO responded, "No, sir. When you get downstairs, close the gate to the elevator." Givens had previously been arrested for "marijuana violations", leading DPD Lieutenant Jack Revill to openly speculate that he might "change his story for money." According to many conspiracy theorists, this proves that Givens was coerced to change his story from seeing LHO on the first floor (first statement) to seeing LHO on the sixth floor (second statement). It's hardly surprising that a police officer in the 1960s might have been corrupt, and since Givens was a black man with a criminal record in the still segregated South, he was certainly vulnerable to police intimidation. But these circumstances are just as likely to have incentivized Givens to keep his mouth shut out of fear of being implicated in the assassination. It's often pointed out that Givens was questioned multiple times between his first and second statements, yet failed to mention his alleged encounter with LHO on the sixth floor. But the same is true of the first statement. After that first FBI interview, Givens never again mentioned observing LHO on the first floor until he flat-out denied ever making such a statement. The first statement also comes from an FBI summary report dictated on November 23 from shorthand notes taken during an interview with Givens on November 22. The statement is appended to the very tail end of the report as though it was an afterthought. Perhaps Givens told the FBI (just as he told the WC a few months later) that he typically saw Oswald reading a newspaper in the first-floor lunchroom. But, rather than a general description of a typical workday, it was misunderstood as a specific observation that Givens had made on November 22. There are many examples of such misunderstandings, and it's always difficult to determine whether the fault lies with the interviewee or the interviewer. Even if the first statement was accurate, LHO being on the first floor at 11:50 AM does not preclude him from being on the sixth floor at 12:30 PM. It doesn't even preclude the second statement, as LHO could have easily been on the first floor at 11:50 AM before encountering Givens on the sixth floor at 11:55 AM. Order Fillers like LHO were constantly going up and down the elevators. Not to mention that these times are rough estimates that could easily be off (e.g. reference #45f below) by several minutes in either direction. If Givens was coerced to lie under oath, the opportunity was utterly squandered by the conspirators. They had free reign to put words in Givens' mouth, yet all they could muster was a brief exchange about lunch and elevators away from the SN some 35 minutes before the shooting. Hardly worth the risk and effort of compromising a witness. Last but not least, LHO likely corroborated Givens' second statement in reference #210.
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Charles Douglas Givens FBI interview.
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Charles Douglas Givens FBI interview.
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Charles Douglas Givens WC testimony.
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DPD Lieutenant Jack Revill FBI interview.
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#e5CH35-36
When he testified before the WC, DPD Lieutenant Jack Revill told them he'd spoken with Charles Douglas Givens shortly after the assassination. Revill explained that he "asked [Givens] if he had been on the sixth floor, and [...] he said, yes, that he had observed Mr. Lee, over by this window." While this generally corroborates Givens' claim to have met LHO on the sixth floor before the shooting, it was recounted over a month after Givens had changed his story.
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June 25, 1967CBSC-SPAN16:10-16:50
Charles Douglas Givens was interviewed by CBS News in 1967. Givens told them he'd seen LHO "standing about middle-way of the building on the sixth floor". Givens told the WC he'd seen LHO walking north along the east wall. Presuming Givens was referring to the midway point between the south and north wall, this statement is still consistent with his WC testimony. Givens also said that the encounter had occurred "one or two minutes after twelve." Givens told the WC he spoke with LHO at about 11:55 AM.
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Quote by Charles Douglas Givens.
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September 24, 1964P. 143
According to the final report by the WC, Charles Douglas Givens was the "last known employee to see Oswald inside the building prior to the assassination."
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#483CH168-170
According to Bonnie Ray Williams, he went up to the sixth floor around noon on November 22, 1963, to eat his lunch by the "third or fourth set of windows", counted from the east and facing south. His lunch consisted of a chicken sandwich, a bottle of Dr. Pepper, and a package of Fritos chips. Williams could "not possibly see anything to the east side of the building" because "the boxes were stacked up" and books were "stacked so high." He could "only see down the aisle behind me and the aisle to the west of me", allowing him to "see just about to the west side of the building."
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Quote by Bonnie Ray Williams.
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#50The Unidentified Restroom User
Daniel Garcia Arce helped an elderly white man up the front steps of the TSBD sometime before the shooting. According to two interviews with the FBI, Arce told them that the man had entered the TSBD "some 45 minutes" before the arrival of the motorcade. That would be 11:45 AM, roughly when Arce broke for lunch (see reference #41) and came down from the sixth floor to the first. In his DCSO affidavit, Arce stated less precisely that the man was "in the building after lunch." Arce then told the WC that it was "about 10 minutes, some place around there, 15 minutes" before the motorcade's arrival. So the man entered the TSBD between 11:45 AM and 12:20 PM. The man told Arce he had "kidney trouble", appeared frail, and walked with "extreme difficulty". He seemed to be roughly 80 years old and wore an old brown suit and a light-colored wide-brimmed hat in a western style. Arce helped the man to the restrooms near the northeast corner of the building. About "four or five minutes later", the man left the building without speaking to anyone. Arce saw him enter a black Buick occupied by three elderly white women, presumably parked slightly to the west of the TSBD. The car drove north along the Elm Street service road extension, turned right onto Elm Street, and drove west through the Triple Underpass. Arce had never seen the man before and never saw him again. The man was never identified.
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Daniel Garcia Arce DCSO affidavit.
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Daniel Garcia Arce FBI interview.
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Daniel Garcia Arce USSS interview.
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Daniel Garcia Arce FBI signed statement.
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Daniel Garcia Arce WC testimony.
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Quote by Daniel Garcia Arce.
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Quote by Daniel Garcia Arce.
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#53Williams Joins Jarman and Norman
Bonnie Ray Williams claimed to have gone up to the sixth floor of the TSBD to eat his lunch and await the motorcade around 12:00 PM. He then heard James Earl Jarman and Harold Dean Norman talking on the floor below and decided to join them. But Williams could not recall when he left the sixth floor. According to the FBI, Williams told them he remained on the sixth floor for "only about 3 minutes". Williams told the WC that he remained on the sixth floor for "5, 10, maybe 12 minutes". He added that he left at "approximately 12:20". So Williams left the sixth floor between 12:03 and 12:20 PM. Jarman told the WC that he and Norman stood in front of the TSBD until between 12:20 and 12:25 PM. They then went around the east side of the building (north on Houston Street), entered via the rear entrance, and took the west freight elevator up to the fifth floor between 12:25 and 12:28 PM. According to Norman, they went upstairs between 12:10 and 12:20 PM. Norman also told the WC that they stayed in front of the TSBD "until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce-". Norman never finished that sentence, but he clearly meant they left after learning the motorcade had reached Main Street. At approximately 12:22 PM, DPD Chief Jesse Edward Curry (driving a car some distance ahead of the Presidential Limousine; see reference #36o) reported over police radio (see reference #82; Channel #2) that they had to drive "at a real slow speed now down Main Street." So Jarman and Norman might have left around 12:22 PM. However, because we don't know the source (police radio, news program, word-of-mouth, etc.) nor which part of the motorcade the "news" was referring to (pilot car, lead motorcycles, Presidential Limousine, etc.), this statement by Norman is not as clear cut as it might first appear. The average of all three ranges offered by Williams, Jarman, and Norman (12:03-12:20; 12:20-12:28; 12:10-12:20) is roughly 12:17. The final report by the WC (page 68) concluded that Williams left the sixth floor at "approximately 12:20 p.m." Williams was no less uncertain about his means of descent. According to the FBI, Williams told them he used the stairs or the west elevator. Williams then told the WC he used the east elevator and that the west elevator was on the fifth floor when he arrived. When Jarman looked up the elevator shaft before he and Norman ascended to the fifth floor using the west elevator, the east elevator was on the sixth floor. So Williams probably used the east elevator. The initial FBI report might have conflated Williams's pre-shooting elevator descent with the post-shooting stairwell descent of Williams, Jarman, and Norman.
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Bonnie Ray Williams FBI interview.
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Bonnie Ray Williams FBI interview.
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Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony.
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James Earl Jarman WC testimony.
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Harold Dean Norman FBI interview.
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Harold Dean Norman WC testimony.
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#54Sightings of Jarman, Williams, and Norman
James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman were the only black employees (see reference #108) known to have watched the motorcade from a TSBD window above the first floor. Furthermore, no strangers (see reference #50 for one innocuous exception) were spotted inside the TSBD before the shooting on November 22, 1963. This means that anyone who witnessed a black person either on or near the fifth floor was likely describing Jarman, Williams, and/or Norman. Furthermore, all three of them were photographed (see reference #224) looking out the two easternmost windows on the fifth floor mere seconds after the shooting.
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#a2CH159
Dallas Times Herald photographer Robert Hill Jackson rode in the motorcade a few cars behind JFK. Moments after the shooting, Jackson looked up at the TSBD and saw "two Negro men" on the fifth floor, "straining to see directly above them", i.e. the sixth floor.
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Howard Leslie Brennan recalled seeing "two Negro men" on the fifth floor glancing up at the sixth floor "as if they were trying to determine the spot from which the rifle shots were being fired."
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Harold Dean Norman recalled that, after going downstairs following the shooting, he was identified by Howard Leslie Brennan as one of the men that Brennan had seen on the fifth floor.
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#d3CH184-185
Within minutes of the shooting, Howard Leslie Brennan identified Harold Dean Norman as one of the men he'd seen on the fifth floor. He believed the other man he'd seen was James Earl Jarman but could not be certain.
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Jearaldean Reid recalled seeing "three colored boys up there" and recognized one of them as James Earl Jarman. But Reid could not recall what floor they were on, only that they were "several" floors up.
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#f5CD18
Malcolm Ollie Couch was a press photographer working for WFAA-TV who rode in the motorcade a few cars behind JFK. Couch recalled seeing "at least two Negroes on the third or fourth floor" of the TSBD immediately after the shooting.
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Ruby Henderson (née Coker) recalled seeing two men "on one of the upper floors" of the TSBD at some point before the arrival of the motorcade. Henderson described one of them as "possibly a Mexican, but could have been a Negro as he appeared to be dark-complexioned." She could not describe the complexion of the other man. Henderson did not recall "seeing anyone on a floor higher up than the one they were on" but stated she didn't have "any idea how long it was prior to the motorcade arriving at that location."
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#h6CH182
Barbara Fay Rowland told the WC she saw a few "colored men" somewhere "about the fourth floor" near the center of the building.
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#55Rowland Spots Gunman
Arnold Louis Rowland watched the motorcade with his wife, Barbara Fay Rowland, from the east curb of Houston Street. Arnold spotted a white man with a rifle standing in the westernmost south-facing window on the sixth floor of the TSBD around 12:15 PM. Barbara recalled that Arnold told her about seeing a man with a rifle at this time, but when she looked up at the TSBD a few seconds later, the gunman was not there. Barbara was also nearsighted. Arnold only saw the gunman for between 15 to 20 seconds. Arnold and Barbara were only 18 and 17 years old at the time of the assassination. They attended the same high school and got married a few months before the assassination.
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Arnold Louis Rowland DCSO affidavit.
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Arnold Louis Rowland WC testimony.
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Barbara Fay Rowland WC testimony.
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When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland circled the window where he claimed to have seen a gunman on this photograph of the south facade of the TSBD. It's the westernmost window on the sixth floor, marked with an arrow (see reference #76g for notes about the other markings).
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#e2CH174
When Arnold Louis Rowland testified before the WC, he mentioned that movies concerning the attempted assassination of President Theodore Roosevelt (TR) in 1912 and President-elect Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) in 1933 influenced his decision not to report a gunman he allegedly saw on the sixth floor of the TSBD about 15 minutes before the shooting. According to Rowland, these movies (possibly series, documentaries, etc., to be charitable) featured scenes of USSS agents armed with rifles stationed on rooftops or in windows of tall buildings. Not that it really matters, but I tried my best to find the source of these scenes. A promising candidate for the attempt on FDR would be two episodes of the 1959 TV series The Untouchables. This two-parter was titled The Unhired Assassin and was later redistributed as a feature-length film titled The Gun of Zangara. Both aired in 1960 when Rowland was 15 years old and featured scenes of men with rifles overlooking a crowd shortly before the attempted assassination of FDR by Giuseppe Zangara. However, the riflemen in this dramatization were actually assassins rather than presidential guards. I couldn't find any scenes regarding the attempt on TR that matched Rowland's recollections. But the penultimate episode of the long-running 1953 TV series You Are There (hosted by famed anchorman Walter Cronkite) was titled Attempt to Assassinate Theodore Roosevelt. The episode aired in 1957 when Rowland was only 12 years old. Unfortunately, this episode does not appear to be available online.
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Quotes by Arnold Louis Rowland.
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#57Brennan Spots Suspicious Man Before Shooting
A few minutes before the shooting, Howard Leslie Brennan saw a man pacing to and fro the easternmost window on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Brennan later saw this same man in the same window aiming down the sights of a rifle during the shooting. Some authors have attempted to discredit Brennan because he described the gunman as "standing up and resting against the left window sill". The windows on the sixth floor of the TSBD were only raised approximately 12.5 inches (31.75 centimeters) off the floor, making it impossible for someone to stand upright with their elbows pressed against the windowsill. But this was merely Brennan's impression. Brennan had the same false impression of two black employees (James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and/or Harold Dean Norman) leaning out the windows on the floor below. In reality, they were all crouching, squatting, kneeling, or otherwise sitting down (see reference #117e). But from the ground, it "appeared" as though they were standing. Brennan had also seen the gunman take a seat on the windowsill, which enabled him to "see practically his whole body, from his hips up."
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Howard Leslie Brennan DCSO affidavit.
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Howard Leslie Brennan WC testimony.
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On this photograph of the TSBD, Howard Leslie Brennan marked the easternmost window on the sixth floor with an A to indicate where he'd seen the gunman.
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Photographs of the easternmost window on the sixth floor of the TSBD featuring a stand-in for LHO and yardsticks for scale.
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September 27, 1964CBSNational Archives and Records Administration & Internet Archive00:27:40-00:28:00 & 00:36:20-00:37:10
Howard Leslie Brennan was interviewed by CBS News in 1964 and related his sighting of a gunman on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Before the shooting, Brennan recalled that the man "left the window a couple of times over the course of 7, 8, or 10 minutes." When the shooting began, Brennan recalled seeing the gunman "taking aim for his last shot." When the shooting was over, the gunman "didn't seem to be in a great rush" but "seemed to pause for a moment to see if, for surety, he accomplished his purpose". The gunman then "brought the gun back direct to an upright position as though he was satisfied."
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#58Precise Time of Shooting
The first shot rang out at approximately 12:30 PM. The precise time (down to the second) is unknown. Some place it closer to 12:29 PM, while others closer to 12:31 PM. The former seems more probable, in my opinion.
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November 22, 1963Melvin Leon McIntireDavid Von Pein
Photographer Melvin Leon McIntire took this photograph within seconds of the shooting. In the background, the clock and temperature display atop the TSBD (affixed to the large Hertz sign) reads 12:30 PM. This photograph is discussed in more detail on pages 475-476 in reference #103g.
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#b7CH555
James Thomas Tague told the WC that he "glanced" at the clock and temperature display atop the TSBD around the time of the shooting. The time readout was 12:29 PM. Tague neglected to clarify if this was shortly before or during the shooting.
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#c298CD49
This FBI report determined that the shooting began at 12:29 PM.
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#59Euins Spots Barrel
Amos Lee Euins watched the motorcade from the southwest corner of Elm and Houston Street. When the Presidential Limousine turned onto Elm Street, Euins glanced up at the TSBD and noticed a "metal rod" or "pipe" protruding from one of the south-facing windows. After witnessing the discharge of the second shot, Euins identified the "pipe" as the barrel of a rifle. Euins initially neglected to mention on which floor he'd seen the barrel but told the FBI on November 29, 1963, that it was "near the top". Barely two weeks later, on December 14, Euins told the FBI that the barrel was "extending out of what he believes is the fifth floor window on the southeast side of the TSBD building." When he testified before the WC nearly three months later, Euins marked the easternmost window on the sixth floor as the location of the barrel. DPD Sergeant David Vernon Harkness spoke with Euins in Dealey Plaza shortly after the shooting. At approximately 12:36 PM, Harkness reported over police radio (see reference #82; Channel #2) that he had "a witness that says the shots came from the fifth floor of the Texas Bookstore". When he testified before the WC more than four months later, Harkness identified this witness as Euins. According to Harkness, Euins told him that the shots had been fired from a window that was "under the ledge", separating the sixth floor from the seventh. This would place the window on the sixth floor. Harkness explained, "It was my error in a hasty count of the floors." Euins appears to have spotted a rifle barrel protruding from the easternmost window on the sixth floor but initially miscounted the floors (as did Harkness) like so many other witnesses are known to have done.
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#a205CD10-13
Amos Lee Euins FBI interviews.
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Amos Lee Euins WC testimony.
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#c6CH312-313
DPD Sergeant David Vernon Harkness WC testimony.
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On this photograph of the TSBD, Amos Lee Euins marked the easternmost window on the sixth floor with an X to indicate where he'd seen the barrel of a rifle.
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June 25, 1967CBSC-SPAN19:54-20:38
Amos Lee Euins was interviewed by CBS News in 1967. He, once again, pointed out the easternmost south-facing window on the sixth floor of the TSBD as the location of the "pipe" he had seen.
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#60Confusion Regarding Nature of Shots
Few witnesses immediately recognized the sound of the first gunshot as a gunshot. Most thought it was either a firecracker or backfiring motorcycle. Even among those who recognized the sound as gunfire, some thought it was a presidential salute. I've referenced one example of each below.
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#a3CH246
DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker immediately recognized the first gunshot as the sound of a high-powered rifle because he'd recently returned from a deer hunting trip.
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#b6CH195
Ronald B. Fischer (the letter B was his literal middle name) thought the first gunshot sounded like a firecracker. By the second shot, he recognized the sounds as gunfire.
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#c6CH156
Malcolm Ollie Couch thought the first gunshot sounded like a backfiring motorcycle. By the third shot, he recognized the sounds as gunfire.
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#d706CD37
Georgia Ruth Hendrix thought the first gunshot was a salute in honor of JFK. By the second shot, Hendrix realized it was an assassination attempt.
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#61Gunshots Provokes Laughter
Both Arnold Louis Rowland and his wife, Barbara Fay Rowland, recalled that the people around them started laughing upon hearing the first gunshot. Many witnesses initially mistook the gunshots for something harmless, like a firecracker (see reference #60).
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#62Worrell Spots Barrel
James Richard Worrell watched the motorcade from the northwest corner of North Houston and Elm Street, right by the southeast corner of the TSBD. When the shooting began, Worrell looked up and saw a rifle barrel protruding from the easternmost south-facing window on either the fifth or sixth floor.
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#a87CD290
James Richard Worrell DCSO affidavit.
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#b5CD19
James Richard Worrell FBI interview.
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#c2CH193
James Richard Worrell WC testimony.
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On these two photographs of Dealey Plaza and the TSBD, James Richard Worrell marked the northwest corner of Elm and Houston Street with an X to indicate the location from which he watched the motorcade.
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#63Euins and Worrell Witness Shooting
When the second shot echoed through Dealey Plaza, Amos Lee Euins and James Richard Worrell both heard and saw the discharge of the rifle protruding from the easternmost south-facing window on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Euins further claimed to have seen and heard the third shot. It's unclear if Worrell saw the discharge of the third shot. He told the FBI he heard the third shot while running away but then told the WC a few months later that he saw the discharge of the third shot just as he began fleeing the scene. Both Euins and Worrell claimed to have heard (not seen) a fourth shot.
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#a87CD290
James Richard Worrell DCSO affidavit.
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#b5CD19
James Richard Worrell FBI interview.
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James Richard Worrell WC testimony.
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#d2CH204-205
Amos Lee Euins WC testimony.
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#64Brennan Witness Final Gunshot
Howard Leslie Brennan thought the first shot was a motorcycle backfire, and then "something, just right after this explosion, made me think that it was a firecracker being thrown" from the TSBD. This "something" was likely the second shot. Brennan explained that "subconsciously I must have heard a second shot, but I do not recall it". In the easternmost south-facing window on the sixth floor, Brennan saw the man he'd seen pacing only minutes before now armed with a rifle taking aim and firing a final shot in the direction of JFK. So while Brennan only recalled two shots, his actions were indicative of three. While Brennan explicitly stated he was "looking at the man in this window at the time of the last explosion" and that the gunman was "taking positive aim and fired his last shot", he also denied seeing the rifle's discharge.
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#a87CD272
Howard Leslie Brennan DCSO affidavit.
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Howard Leslie Brennan WC testimony.
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#65The Rifle Withdrawal
At least four witnesses (possibly five) saw a gunman and/or rifle as he withdrew from the easternmost south-facing window on the sixth floor of the TSBD after the final gunshot.
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#a3CH144
Howard Leslie Brennan WC testimony.
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#b2CH204
Amos Lee Euins WC testimony.
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#c2CH159
Robert Hill Jackson WC testimony.
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#d6CH157
Malcolm Ollie Couch WC testimony.
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#e6CH172-173
Moments after the final gunshot, James Henry Crawford glimpsed an "indistinct movement" in the easternmost south-facing window on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Asked to elaborate, Crawford described this motion as the "profile" of a person "having moved out of the window." It was "a very quick movement and rather indistinct and it was very light colored." Crawford speculated that part of this movement could have been a gun that "was reflecting the sun so it would appear white or light colored." Considering Crawford caught "barely a glimpse" of this fleeting movement, one has to question the accuracy of his recollections. It is, however, consistent with a gunman in the SN.
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#662CH159
Quote by Robert Hill Jackson.
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#672CH204
Quote by Amos Lee Euins.
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#683CH144
Quote by Howard Leslie Brennan.
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#69Neither Euins nor Worrell Saw Gunman's Face
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#70Descriptions of Gunman
Arnold Louis Rowland and Howard Leslie Brennan offered similar descriptions of a man they had seen with a rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD. The gunman seen by Rowland held a rifle in the westernmost south-facing window some 15 minutes before the shooting, while the gunman seen by Brennan fired a rifle from the easternmost south-facing window during the shooting. Rowland described the gunman as white, slender, early thirties, 140-150 lbs (64-68 kg), dark hair, light-colored shirt, and dark-colored pants. Brennan described the gunman as white, slender, early thirties, 160-175 lbs (73-79 kg), about 5'10" (178 cm), and light-colored khaki-like clothes.
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#a87CD271
Arnold Louis Rowland DCSO affidavit.
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#b2CH171-173
Arnold Louis Rowland WC testimony.
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#c87CD272
Howard Leslie Brennan DCSO affidavit.
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#d3CH144
Howard Leslie Brennan WC testimony.
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#71Descriptions of Oswald
LHO can be described as white, slender, 24 years old, 131 lbs (59 kg), 5'9½" (176.5 cm), and brown hair. Some authors take issue with the difference between LHO's age and weight compared to those given by Howard Leslie Brennan (see reference #70). But it's important to remember that these figures are estimates based on brief observations made at a distance.
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#a5CD92
Following his arrest on November 22, 1963, LHO was interrogated by the FBI and furnished them with a description of himself. LHO described himself as white, 24 years old, 5'9" (175 cm), 140 lbs (64 kg), medium-brown hair, and blue-gray eyes.
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A photograph of LHO standing upright, taken after his arrest in New Orleans, Louisiana, in August 1963. According to the height chart behind him, LHO measured approximately 5'10" (179 cm).
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According to this fingerprints card, LHO weighed 131 lbs (59 kg) and was 69.5 inches (5'9½"; 176.5 cm) tall at the time of his arrest.
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According to this autopsy report, LHO was 5'9" (175 cm) and weighed an estimated 150 lbs (68 kg) at the time of his death. Since the medical examiner merely "estimated" his weight in this report, the precise 131 lbs (59 kg) figure given in reference #71c above should take precedence.
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#e17CH706
After LHO defected to the USSR in 1959, the FBI interviewed his mother, Marguerite Frances Claverie Oswald, in early 1960. Marguerite estimated that LHO weighed 165 lbs (75 kg). That's the same weight given by Howard Leslie Brennan (see reference #70) and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker (see reference #121a). This is significant because all three of them (Marguerite, Brennan, and Baker) were asked to describe LHO's perceived weight, irrespective of his actual weight.
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#72Rowland Spots Elderly Black Man
Arnold Louis Rowland watched the motorcade with his wife, Barbara Fay Rowland, from the east curb of Houston Street. When he testified before the WC, Arnold stated that he had seen two men on the sixth floor of the TSBD shortly before the shooting. He saw a white man with a rifle standing in the westernmost south-facing window (see reference #55) about 15 minutes before the shooting and an elderly black man hanging out the easternmost south-facing window as late as 5 minutes before the shooting. According to Arnold, he tried to tell the FBI about the black man, but they "didn't seem interested at all", and he was told that "it didn't have any bearing or such on the case right then." Indeed, none of Arnold's interviews prior to his WC testimony reflect his claim to have seen two people on the sixth floor. However, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig told the WC that he spoke with a young couple he identified as Arnold and Barbara a few minutes after the assassination. According to Craig, Arnold told him that he had seen "two men on the sixth floor", one of whom was armed with a rifle. But Craig also recalled that Arnold told him that both men were "walking back and forth" in the westernmost south-facing window (or possibly the second window from the west) rather than being situated at opposite corners of the building. Craig also recalled that Arnold told him that both men were white. When asked by the WC if Arnold ever mentioned a second man on the sixth floor, Barbara denied it.
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Arnold Louis Rowland WC testimony.
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When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland circled the window where he claimed to have seen a black man on this photograph of the south facade of the TSBD. It's the easternmost window on the sixth floor, marked with an A. See reference #76g for notes about the other markings.
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#c6CH189
Barbara Fay Rowland WC testimony.
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DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig WC testimony.
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1971Roger CraigDavid Ratcliffe
This unpublished manuscript was written by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig in 1971. About midway through Chapter I, Craig reflected upon his encounter with Arnold Louis Rowland and Barbara Fay Rowland shortly after the assassination. Craig recalled that Arnold told him he'd seen a white man with a rifle standing in the easternmost south-facing window and a black man pacing back and forth in the westernmost south-facing window. This contradicts what both Arnold and Craig told the WC back in 1964. Arnold told the WC the white man with a rifle was stationed in the westernmost window while the black man was in the easternmost window, not vice versa. Craig told the WC that Arnold had told him that both men were white, pacing back and forth in the westernmost window or possibly the second window from the west.
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#f897CD60-64
Only two employees (see reference #108) matched Rowland's description of an elderly black man; Troy Eugene West at 60 and Eddie Piper at 55 years old. The third most senior black employee was Charles Douglas Givens, at only 38 years old. The FBI investigated the possibility that either West or Piper could have been the man Rowland reportedly saw on the sixth floor. Both denied going up to the sixth floor at any point on November 22, 1963, and were on the first floor during the shooting. No one else recalled seeing Piper or West on the sixth floor. Their foreman, William Hoyt Shelley, did not recall seeing either of them leave the first floor, although Piper told the WC that he went up to the fourth floor around 11:00 AM. Rowland also described the color of the man's plaid shirt as bright red and green. West and Piper denied owning such a shirt.
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#732CH176
Quote by Arnold Louis Rowland.
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#742CH188
Quote by Arnold Louis Rowland.
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#756CH189
Quote by Barbara Fay Rowland.
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#76Rowland's Credibility
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#a897CD65-69
When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland stated he got straight A's throughout high school with a few B's in his senior year. On a scale from A (Excellent) through G (Bad Failure), records show that Rowland got a mix of all grades, including multiple F's. When asked about his intelligence quotient, Rowland told the WC that his IQ was tested in May of 1963 and that he scored 147. Records show that Rowland took an IQ test in 1959 and scored 109. In a different test, known as the Merit Scholarship Qualifying Test, Rowland scored 127 in the spring of 1963. To give Rowland the benefit of the doubt, he might have confused the Merit Scholarship Qualifying Test for an IQ test and misremembered his exact score. It's also possible that Rowland actually said 127 but was misheard by the stenographer.
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#b897CD70-71
John Richard Ligon was the Assistant Principal at William Hardin Adamson High School in Dallas. Arnold Louis Rowland had attended this school, and Ligon described him as a dishonest and truant student. Ligon told the FBI that Rowland "would not hesitate to fabricate a story if it was of any benefit for [him] to do so" and that "anything [he] might tell the President's Commission would be questionable."
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#c897CD73
Edith Johnson McKissock was the Dean at Crozier Technical High School in Dallas. Arnold Louis Rowland attended this school, and McKissock described him as a person who would "not tell the truth regarding any matter" and as a "conniver [who] prevaricated whenever it was to his advantage to do so".
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#d897CD74
When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland stated he had conducted a "long study of sound and study of echo effects." Rowland volunteered this information when asked if the three gunshots sounded the same. Rowland had supposedly conducted these studies at his own initiative during his "off periods of class" but was instructed and aided by his physics teacher, Sam Farrow Foster, at Crozier Technical High School in Dallas. Rowland was only 18 years old (seven weeks away from turning 19) when he testified before the WC in early 1964, yet had supposedly conducted these auditory physics studies for "the past three years." He had read "quite a few" specialized books on the subject but could not recall a single title or author. According to the FBI, Foster told them that "part of the subject matter covered in [my physics class] was a section on sound, but this was very basic study and in no way consisted of special study of sound and echo effects." Foster denied teaching Rowland anything special about sound and echoes as he "did not pass the regular physics course".
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#e897CD75
When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland stated that he had been accepted to several universities. He listed four of them; Texas A&M University, Rice University, Southern Methodist University, and University of Texas at Arlington. Pauline Redfearn was the Chief Clerk at Southern Methodist University. When contacted by the FBI, Redfearn told them they had no records of an Arnold Louis Rowland. Even if Rowland had been rejected (he claimed to have been accepted), his application form would still have been recorded. A lack of records indicated to Redfearn that Rowland had not even begun the admittance process, let alone been accepted.
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#f897CD76
When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland stated that he had undergone an eye examination about six or seven months before his testimony on March 10, 1964. This examination had been performed by a "firm of doctors" known as Finn & Finn, with offices in the Fidelity Union Life Building (now known as Mosaic Dallas) at 1507 Pacific Avenue, Dallas. According to Rowland, the examination indicated that he had "very good vision" and that it was "much better" than 20/20 vision. When contacted by the FBI, optometrist Dr. John Edward Finn informed them that Finn & Finn had no records of a patient named Arnold Louis Rowland.
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When he testified before the WC, Arnold Louis Rowland circled eight windows on this photograph depicting the south facade of the TSBD. Seven of the eight encircled windows were designated with letters A through G. The remaining window was marked with a large arrow. The arrow-marked window is the westernmost window on the sixth floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen a white man with a rifle (see reference #55) some 15 minutes before the shooting. The window designated A is the easternmost window on the sixth floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen an elderly black man (see reference #72) as late as 5 minutes before the shooting. The window designated B is the easternmost window on the fifth floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen "two or three" black men and possibly a white man. The window designated C is the second window from the east on the second floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen two black women. The only non-white woman employed by the TSBD was Stella Mae Jacob (see 706CD47), who described herself as "an Indian female". Jacob left the TSBD around noon and did not return afterward. The window designated D is the fourth window from the east on the second floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen "two heads just inside". The window designated E is the third window from the east on the third floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen "one man". The window designated F is the second window from the east on the third floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen "four or five" people. The window designated G is the easternmost window on the third floor. In this window, Arnold claimed to have seen two people, one of whom was possibly white. This window was closed with the blinds down (see reference #224) during the shooting. These observations were made "at or about" the time Arnold saw the two men on the sixth floor, several minutes before the shooting.
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#77Walther Spots Gunman
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Elizabeth Carolyn Walther (née McCoy; went by her middle name) told the FBI nearly two weeks after the assassination that she'd seen a man with a brown suit standing in a third-floor window of the TSBD. She had also seen a man armed with a machine gun in the easternmost south-facing window on either the fourth or fifth floor. Walther was "positive this window was not as high as the sixth floor." The window on the fourth floor was closed with the blinds down (see reference #224) during the shooting. The one on the fifth floor was occupied by Bonnie Ray Williams and Harold Dean Norman. To the left of the gunman stood a man with a brown suit. Walther doesn't clarify if she thought the third-floor brown-suited man was the same as the one who later appeared on the fourth or fifth. It's possible the man on the third floor was Steven Francis Wilson, the only male employee known to have watched the motorcade from the third floor. Wilson can be seen in one of the photographs taken by Thomas Clinton Dillard seconds after the shooting.
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June 25, 1967CBSC-SPAN18:12-19:53
Elizabeth Carolyn Walther was interviewed by CBS News in 1967. Walther related much the same story she told the FBI in 1963. The gunman was "kneeling in the window or sitting" and "his arms were on the window." He was armed with "a short gun" that "wasn't as long as a rifle." To the gunman's right stood a man "wearing a brown suit." Walther could see "half of this man's body, from his shoulders to his hips" but not his face. The two men were on the "fourth or fifth floor" which Walther described as "just about even with the top of that tree." Walther was presumably referring to the large live oak tree on the lawn directly in front of the TSBD.
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February 14, 1969Mary Ferrell FoundationP. 90-100
Elizabeth Carolyn Walther was called as a witness during the trial of Clay LaVergne Shaw in 1969. For some reason, her surname was recorded as "Walton" rather than "Walther". Her maiden name was McCoy, and she only married once (to Eric Charles Walther) in 1953. I could not find an explanation for this, so I must assume her surname was misheard and incorrectly recorded by the stenographer. Walther stated that, about "10 or 15 minutes" before the arrival of JFK, she had seen a man located somewhere in the center of the TSBD "wearing a maroon shirt". Sometime later, she had seen "two men in another building", one of whom was armed with a gun and the other wore a "brown suit coat." While Walther stated the two men were "in another building", she was presumably nervous speaking aloud in a crowded courtroom and meant to say "another window." Walther was repeatedly asked to speak louder into the microphone and even described the man with a gun as "wearing the gun". Curiously, Walther never mentioned (nor was she ever asked) which floor the two men were on.
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2010Barry ErnestP. 83
According to author Barry Earnest, Elizabeth Carolyn Walther told him in 1968 that, when she was questioned by the FBI in 1963, she'd mistaken the fourth or fifth floor for the sixth floor. Walther now believed the two men she'd seen had been located on the sixth floor. However, when journalist Earl August Golz (see reference #77e below) interviewed Walther a decade later, Walther had evidently changed her mind once more. Golz wrote that Walther "said she thought it was on either the fourth or fifth floor".
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November 26, 1978Earl GolzDallas Morning NewsP. 13A
Elizabeth Carolyn Walther (surname misspelled Walter here) was interviewed by Dallas Morning News journalist Earl August Golz in 1978. Walther repeated what she told the FBI and others but recalled that the FBI "seemed like they weren't very interested." Walther was of the impression the FBI "were going to set out to prove me a liar and I had no intention of arguing with them and being harassed." Walther relented, "And if they didn't want to believe it or had some reason not to, well, then, that was all right with me." Walther told Golz that when she tried to tell the FBI about the man with a brown suit, they "tried to make me think that what I saw were boxes." Walther insisted that what she saw was "definitely the shape of a person or part of a person."
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Tennie Pearl Springer (née Autrey; went by her middle name) worked with and watched the motorcade alongside Elizabeth Carolyn Walther. She did not notice anyone in the windows of the TSBD, and nearly two weeks after the assassination (when this interview was conducted), Springer was still unaware that Walther had seen a man with a gun.
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#78Edwards and Fischer
Robert Edwin Edwards and Ronald B. Fischer spotted a man in the easternmost window on the sixth floor of the TSBD anywhere between seconds to several minutes before the shooting. They initially thought the man was on the fifth floor. Edwards later realized he'd neglected to count the bottom floor and believed the man was on the sixth floor. Fischer maintained that it was either the fifth or sixth floor. Neither of them saw the man holding a gun. Edwards described the color of the man's hair as "light" and "sandy" when he spoke with the FBI. Edwards then told the WC that the man's hair was "light brown". Fischer initially described the man as "light-headed" and as having "light hair". Fischer then told the WC that the man's hair "seemed to be neither light nor dark" and that it was somewhere between blonde and black. Neither of them could positively identify LHO as the man they had seen. LHO described his hair color as medium-brown (see reference #71a). DPD Patrolman Charles Truman Walker participated in the arrest of LHO inside the Texas Theater. When asked by the WC a few months later to describe LHO from memory, Walker described his hair color as "sandy" and "darker than blonde." LHO's mother, Marguerite Frances Claverie Oswald, described his hair color as "light brown".
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#a87CD270
Robert Edwin Edwards DCSO affidavit.
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#b205CD21
Robert Edwin Edwards FBI interview.
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#c6CH203-205
Robert Edwin Edwards WC testimony.
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#d87CD269
Ronald B. Fischer DCSO affidavit.
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National Archives and Records AdministrationP. 29
Ronald B. Fischer FBI interview. While this document (see 205CD19) is also available on the Mary Farrell Foundation website, it's of rather poor quality and difficult to read. Instead, I've linked to the same document provided by the US National Archives, which is perfectly legible.
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#f6CH192-200
Ronald B. Fischer WC testimony.
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#g7CH41
DPD Patrolman Charles Truman Walker WC testimony.
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#h17CH706
Marguerite Frances Claverie Oswald FBI interview.
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#796CH204
Quote by Robert Edwin Edwards.
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#806CH157
Quote by Malcolm Ollie Couch.
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#81Second Floor From the Top
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#82Police Radio Chatter Transcripts
Transcripts of DPD radio chatter from November 22-24, 1963. Channel #1 was used for normal radio traffic. Channel #2 was reserved for the motorcade and JFK's visit.
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Pages 833-889 cover Channel #1, November 22, 10:00 AM to 03:00 PM. Pages 889-905 cover Channel #1, November 24, 10:00 AM to 02:00 PM. Pages 905-939 cover Channel #2, November 22, 10:00 AM to 03:00 PM.
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#b290CD
Abridged transcript of Channel #1 radio chatter between 10:00 AM and 02:00 PM on November 22, 1963.
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#c291CD
Abridged transcript of Channel #2 radio chatter between 10:00 AM and 05:00 PM on November 22, 1963.
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1979James C. BowlesJFK Online, David A. Reitzes
DPD Sergeant James Carl Bowles, a former radio dispatch supervisor, included a transcript in this report.
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John McAdams
A searchable transcript by assassination researcher John McAdams.
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October 15, 2013Larry J. SabatoUniversity of Virginia Center for Politics
To coincide with the release of his book, The Kennedy Half Century, author Larry Sabato commissioned a company known as Sonalysts, Inc. to analyze and transcribe the DPD radio chatter. An associated mobile app by the same name includes the actual audio recordings of both Channel #1 and #2 along with a running transcript.
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#836CH305
At approximately 12:38 PM on November 22, 1963, DPD Patrolman Elwyn Dee Brewer reported over police radio (see reference #82; Channel #2) that a witness had seen a weapon being withdrawn from a window on the "second floor on the southeast corner" of the TSBD. Brewer was asked about this when he testified before the WC but could not recall whether the witness had said "second floor" or "second floor from the top." However, a gunman could not have occupied the easternmost south-facing window on the second floor. There were no other reports of a gunman in this window. It would have been difficult for a gunman on the second floor to see much of anything due to the trees and foliage bordering the south side of the Elm Street service road extension. The window was closed with the blinds down (see reference #224) during the shooting. So, too, were the easternmost windows on the third and fourth floors. Lastly, the window was likely inaccessible due to a curved wall of glass blocks that enclosed the front staircase.
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#84Euins and the Bald Spot
About the only thing Amos Lee Euins recalled about the gunman was that he had a bald spot. Euins initially described the gunman as white but then insisted only the bald spot was white and that he could not recall the man's complexion. The color of the bald spot and the man's skin tone were apparently distinct? It's worth noting that, a few minutes after the shooting, Euins overheard a "construction man" telling an officer that he'd seen a man with a bald spot running away from the TSBD. Neither the suspect, witness, nor officer was identified. The "construction man" sounds like Howard Leslie Brennan (see reference #57), a steamfitter who wore a grey aluminum hardhat and spoke with police immediately after the shooting. But Brennan never saw a man flee the TSBD. Another potential match would be Richard Randolph Carr (see reference #88). Carr worked in construction and saw a man hurrying away from the TSBD after the shooting. However, the FBI only contacted Carr in early 1964, and the man he'd seen wore a hat. The only other potential match would be James Richard Worrell (see reference #90). But the man seen by Worrell had a full head of hair. Besides, Worrell did not come forward to speak with police until the day after the assassination. Since Euins could recall nothing else about the gunman (not even the shade of his hair), there is a strong case to be made here that Euins confabulated this memory. However, at least one other spectator (see photograph on page 493 of reference #103g) wore a construction hard hat like the one Brennan wore. Another such spectator (possibly the same) can be seen in the infamous Zapruder film. He's standing on the north side of Elm Street, right next to a lamppost slightly east of the Stemmons Freeway sign.
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#a205CD12
Amos Lee Euins FBI interview.
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#b2CH204-209
Amos Lee Euins WC testimony.
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#852CH204
Quote by Amos Lee Euins.
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#862CH207
Quote by Amos Lee Euins.
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December 19, 1978Earl GolzDallas Morning News
This article was published 15 years after the assassination. As far as I know, it's the only time Johnny L. Powell related his story to anyone. According to the article, Powell was 17 years old in 1963 and watched the motorcade from a jail cell window on the sixth floor of the Dallas County Criminal Courts building diagonally across the street from the TSBD. He watched the motorcade alongside two dozen of his fellow inmates. Powell had seen two men "fooling with" the scope of a rifle in the SN whose complexion he thought "looked darker" than white. Others in his cell could supposedly corroborate his account, but none ever did. The article mentions that Powell was white and 17 years old in 1963. City Directories for Dallas does not show a Johnny L. Powell living there between 1962-1964 or 1977-1979. I did, however, find a John L. Powell (no address) in 1977. Powell might have lived outside the census coverage or been homeless because the article states he was "in jail for three days on charges of vagrancy and disturbing the peace". There are, however, records of a Johnny Leeroy Powell (or Johnnie; or Lee Roy), who was born in Dallas in 1946 and still lived there as of 2020.
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#88The Sportcoat Man
Richard Randolph Carr supposedly watched the motorcade from a staircase landing on the sixth or seventh floor of the then-unfinished Dallas County Courthouse at 600 Commerce Street. The building comprised little more than a hollow metal frame with an exposed staircase along the west side. Carr looked towards Elm and Houston Street "a few minutes" before the shooting and saw a white man wearing a hat, horn-rimmed glasses, and a tan sportcoat standing in the second south-facing window from the east on the seventh floor of the TSBD. No small feat considering the TSBD was on the opposite side of Dealey Plaza, some 750 feet (230 meters) distant and largely blocked by the Old Dallas County Courthouse at 100 South Houston Street. Carr heard the shots and believed they came from the Triple Underpass. He then returned to ground level and saw a man "walking very fast" south on Houston Street whom Carr described as "identical" to the man he'd seen on the seventh floor of the TSBD. The man went east on Commerce Street before being picked up by a black man driving a grey Nash Rambler station wagon. By 1969, however, Carr's story had changed. The man in the TSBD had now been standing in the third window from the east on the fifth floor. It's unclear whether Carr regarded each window pair as one window or counted each individual window. Witnesses differed in how they counted the windows. Each floor had seven window pairs for a total of fourteen individual windows. So the man seen by Carr could have been standing in windows two through five, counted individually from the east. Anyway, Carr had supposedly seen the man with a sportcoat emerge from behind the TSBD in the company of two other men. This had occurred "immediately after the shooting". Carr described one of the three men as "Latin" and "real dark-complected". Two of the men jumped into a Nash Rambler station wagon before driving north on Houston Street. Meanwhile, the man with a sportcoat fled on foot by heading south on Houston Street, much like Carr initially reported. Carr had somehow seen all of this despite telling the FBI back in 1964 that he could not see any part of the TSBD below the seventh floor and "denied observing anyone leaving the entrance of the TSBD and getting into a gray car."
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#a329CD29
Richard Randolph Carr FBI interview.
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#b385CD24
Richard Randolph Carr FBI interview.
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February 19, 1969Mary Ferrell FoundationP. 2-29
Richard Randolph Carr was called as a witness during the trial of Clay LaVergne Shaw in 1969.
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1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
In the background of this photograph of Dealey Plaza, you can see the metal frame of the unfinished Dallas County Courthouse. Inside the west facade of the building is the staircase from which Richard Randolph Carr claims to have witnessed the shooting.
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1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
This photograph was taken from the base of the front stairs of the TSBD, facing south. In the upper left-hand corner of the image, a small portion of the exposed metal frame of the then-unfinished Dallas County Courthouse is visible. Richard Randolph Carr stood on a landing several flights below the portion of the staircase visible in this image.
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#89329CD30
Quote from FBI interview with Richard Randolph Carr.
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#90Worrell Spots Fleeing Man
After witnessing a rifle fired from an upper floor of the TSBD (see reference #63), James Richard Worrell sprinted about a block north to the intersection of Houston Street and Pacific Avenue. He then turned around and "approximately 3 minutes" later saw a man "come bustling out" from the rear entrance of the TSBD before running south on Houston Street. Worrell described the man as white, early thirties, 5'7" to 5'10" (170-178 cm), 155-165 lbs (70-75 kg), black or dark-brown hair, wearing light pants, a dark shirt, and dark sports jacket. According to the FBI, Worrell told them that the man resembled LHO. Worrell then told the WC that he would be unable to identify the man because he never saw his face.
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#91Romack and Rackley
James Elbert Romack and George Washington Rackley were standing slightly north of the TSBD on Houston Street when the shooting occurred. Romack offered a range of 110 feet and 125 yards (34-114 meters), while Rackley estimated he was about 300 feet (91 meters) north of the TSBD. Romack heard three shots and then observed a policeman "run alongside the east wall of the TSBD", who then scanned the rear of the building "to see if somebody was running out the back". The officer then returned to Dealey Plaza. The officer was never positively identified but might have been DPD Patrolman Welcome Eugene Barnett (see reference #129). Rackley did not hear any gunshots but saw pigeons (also seen by DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker in reference #121) being spooked by something near the TSBD. Romack and Rackley watched the rear of the TSBD for at least 4 minutes after the shooting. Neither of them saw anyone leave the building during that time. Romack contacted the FBI after reading an article in the March 6, 1964, issue of the Dallas Times Herald in which James Richard Worrell stated he'd seen a man flee the TSBD via the rear entrance (see reference #90).
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#a897CD26
James Elbert Romack FBI interview.
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#b897CD30
James Elbert Romack FBI interview.
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#c6CH279-283
James Elbert Romack WC testimony.
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#d897CD28
George Washington Rackley FBI interview.
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#e6CH274-277
George Washington Rackley WC testimony.
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#92897CD27
Quote from FBI interview with James Elbert Romack.
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#936CH276
Quote by George Washington Rackley.
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November 22-25, 1963WFAA-TVDavid Von Pein00:28:15
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#95Number of Dealey Plaza Witnesses
It unknown how many witnesses were in or near Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination. Many ran away and never looked back. For instance, James Richard Worrell (see reference 2CH197) only contacted the DPD after Chief of Police Jesse Edward Curry urged people to come forward on television. The WC considered the testimony of 552 witnesses in total. But that number pertains to all areas of the case, not just the shooting in Dealey Plaza. I've listed a few other sources below with varying estimates.
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September 24, 1964P. 483-500
A list of 552 witnesses whose testimony was either heard or considered by the WC.
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#b8HSCA139
According to Joseph John Basteri, an investigator working for the HSCA, precisely 692 people were present in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination. It's unclear how Basteri arrived at such a precise figure.
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#c3CH249
DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker estimated that there were "maybe 500 or 600 people" in Dealey Plaza during his WC testimony.
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Craig Ciccone
This schematic or map includes 375 witnesses and their approximate locations at the time of the shooting. However, some of the included witnesses are highly questionable and only came forward many years or decades after the assassination.
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History Matters
According to the website History Matters, over 600 people witnessed the shooting but they only list 216 in their tabulation of accounts due to most never being questioned.
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May 3, 2023LEMMiNOGoogle Sheets
Attempts to assess the origin of the gunshots based on Dealey Plaza earwitness testimony have proven difficult. It's a far more subjective exercise than one might assume. Many witnesses were uncertain, imprecise, or offered contradictory accounts. This has led those who favor conspiracy to conclude that most witnesses pointed to the Grassy Knoll, while those across the aisle have found the complete opposite, that most witnesses believed the shots were fired from the TSBD. So any tabulation of witness accounts is highly susceptible to bias. I did not have time to compile a list of my own, but I've referenced six tabulations below and included some footnotes regarding my interpretations of the data. You'll notice, for instance, that some of my figures (especially the percentages) differ from those provided by the authors. I only considered witness accounts that each respective author unambiguously placed in one of three discrete categories; TSBD, Grassy Knoll, and Multiple Directions. Any witness not placed in one of these three categories was relegated to a fourth Other category. Witnesses who were uncertain or failed to specify a direction have been excluded.
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John McAdams
Author John McAdams examined four different earwitness tabulations. The first tabulation was compiled in 1998 by author Stewart Galanor (see reference #96e below); the second (year unknown) by assassination researcher Joel Grant; the third in 1967 by author Josiah Thompson (see reference #96d below); and the fourth in 1979 by HSCA senior staff counsel member Surell Brady (see reference #96c below). McAdams also included an assessment of his own. McAdams considered the testimony of 243 witnesses but did not divide them all into discrete categories. Nevertheless, the four largest categories include; Does Not State Location (89), TSBD (60), Not Sure of Location (42), and Knoll (33). Excluding those who did not mention a location or were unsure, we're left with 112 witnesses. So McAdams' assessment was that 54% of witnesses thought the shots came from the TSBD, while 29% thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll. However, in reference #96b below, McAdams included a pie chart indicating 59% for the TSBD and 31% for the Grassy Knoll, so he must have included some of the more ambiguous witnesses in both categories. Only 3 witnesses indicated more than one direction. I could find no primary source for Grant's list, and it's a lot messier than the others. It covers 213 witnesses, and the major categories are; DNR (73), TSBD (31), Unsure (25), Houston/Elm (18), Knoll (15), and Could Not Tell (11). The remaining witnesses were not divided into discrete categories. I presume that DNR stands for Did Not Report or similar. Excluding those who did not report a location, were unsure, or could not tell, we're left with 104 witnesses. So Grant's assessment was 30% for the TSBD and 14% for the Grassy Knoll. If we were to combine TSBD and Houston/Elm into one category, it would mean that 47% of witnesses thought the shots came from the TSBD. Only 6 witnesses in Grant's tabulation indicated more than one direction.
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John McAdams
More information regarding earwitness testimony by author John McAdams. One of the pie charts on this page (from a tabulation by Joel Grant) indicates that 81% of witnesses heard three shots.
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#c8HSCA139-143
The HSCA analyzed 178 earwitness accounts and divided them into four discrete categories; TSBD (49), Knoll (21), Other (30), and Don't Know (78). Excluding those who did not know, we're left with an even 100 witnesses. So the HSCA's assessment was that 49% of witnesses thought the shots came from the TSBD, while 21% thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll. The remaining 30% reported "some other location" with "no obvious pattern". Only 4 witnesses indicated more than one direction. As for the number of shots, 132 of 178 witnesses (74%) heard three shots.
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1967Josiah ThompsonBernard Geis AssociatesP. 23-27 & 252-270
Author Josiah Thompson included a schematic and tabulation (Appendix A) of 190 witnesses in this 1967 book of his. Thompson summarized this data in a bar graph titled "Sound Direction" on page 25. This graph suggests that only 64 witnesses indicated a direction. However, the list he includes in Appendix A shows that 75 witnesses indicated a direction. The bar graph also placed 33 witnesses in the Grassy Knoll category and 25 in the TSBD category. However, Thompson's list unambiguously placed 34 witnesses in the Grassy Knoll category and 27 in the TSBD category. The remaining witnesses were not divided into discrete categories. So Thompson's assessment was that 45% of witnesses thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll, while 36% thought they came from the TSBD. Only 4 witnesses indicated more than one direction. As for the number of shots, 136 of 172 witnesses (79%) heard three shots. See reference #96b and reference #96c above for some critique of Thompson's methodology.
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#eCover-Up1998Steward GalanorKastrel BooksP. 171-176
Author Steward Galanor included a tabulation of 216 witnesses in this 1998 book of his. However, Galanor accidentally counted Beatrice Olean Hester twice, so it's actually 215 witnesses. Galanor separated the witnesses into six categories; Not Asked (70), Knoll (54), Depository (46), Could Not Tell (34), Knoll & Depository (6), and Elsewhere (5). Excluding those who were never asked or could not tell, we're left with 111 witnesses. So Galanor's assessment was that 49% of witnesses thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll, while 41% thought the shots came from the TSBD. Galanor did not include any data on the number of shots. Only 6 witnesses indicated more than one direction.
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History Matters
This tabulation by the website History Matters is based on reference #96e above. However, there are a few alterations. Instead of 215 witnesses, there are 216 with the addition of Ed Johnson, and some witnesses have switched places. Like before, the witnesses are separated into six categories; Not Asked (70), Knoll (52), Depository (48), Could Not Tell (37), Knoll & Depository (5), and Elsewhere (4). Excluding those who were never asked or could not tell, we're left with 109 witnesses. So History Matters' assessment was that 48% of witnesses thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll, while 44% thought the shots came from the TSBD. Only 5 witnesses indicated more than one direction.
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2021Dennis McFaddenFrontiers in PsychologyVol. 12No. 763432
An article that goes into detail as to why and how earwitnesses in Dealey Plaza were deceived.
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#97Direction of Gunshots According to Campbell
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#98Direction of Gunshots According to Sitzman
Marylin Sitzman was not called to testify before the WC, and there are no records of her being questioned by authorities. There are, however, contemporary second-hand accounts and later interviews with Sitzman that make it clear she believed the shots came from the TSBD. Sitzman worked as a receptionist in the Dal-Tex Building under Abraham Zapruder, who famously filmed the assassination from atop the same concrete abutment upon which Sitzman viewed the motorcade. Unlike Sitzman, Zapruder was confused and uncertain about the origin of the gunshots. However, Zapruder stated (in somewhat broken English) in a brief 1967 interview (A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report - Part 2; 10:20-11:05) that the shots "all sounded alike" and "if there were shots that come from [behind] my right ear I would hear a different sound."
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#a19CH535
DCSO Deputy Sheriff John William Wilson Wiseman recalled that Marylin Sitzman told him within minutes of the shooting that Sitzman believed the shots had come from the TSBD. Wiseman refers to the TSBD as "the old Sexton building". This was because the TSBD was rented by a wholesale grocery company called Sexton Foods until 1961.
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November 29, 1966Josiah ThompsonJohn McAdams
Author Josiah Thompson interviewed Marilyn Sitzman in 1966. Thompson partially quoted the interview in his book Six Seconds in Dallas. A transcript of the taped interview is reprinted here by author John McAdams. Sitzman explained to Thompson that if the shots had been fired from behind the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll, she "would have heard the sounding of the gun much closer, and I probably [would have] had a ringing in my head because the fence was quite close to where we were standing".
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June 29, 1993The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
Marilyn Sitzman was interviewed by the Sixth Floor Museum in 1993. Sitzman explained that the gunshots sounded as though they were "far off and to the left" and came from the "left and above". Left, in this case, means east, towards the direction of the TSBD. Sitzman passed away less than two months after this interview was recorded.
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#99Direction of Gunshots According to Reid
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#100Direction of Gunshots According to Newman
William Eugene Newman watched the motorcade alongside his wife and two young sons from the north curb of Elm Street. Newman heard two explosions and believed they had come from "the garden directly behind me" which would be the Grassy Knoll. Newman and his family were also interviewed live on air by Jay Watson on WFAA-TV within minutes of the assassination. Newman told Watson that the shots came "apparently from behind us" and "up on top of the hill" where there was a "mound of ground or a garden". Newman and his wife were later interviewed for a History Channel documentary series that aired in 1991. Newman explained, "When the third shot was fired, I thought it came from directly behind, towards the Grassy Knoll behind me."
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William Eugene Newman DCSO affidavit.
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November 22, 1963WFAA-TVThe Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
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1991Nigel TurnerThe History ChannelS1E304:00-04:45
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The HSCA concluded in 1979 that JFK was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." The basis for that conclusion was a recently uncovered recording of DPD radio chatter from November 22, 1963. According to three acoustical experts, a section of the recording (recorded by accident when a motorcycle patrolman left his microphone in the "ON" position) featured four distinct impulses that resembled gunshots. The impulses were inaudible to the human ear but could be seen when the recording was spectrographically examined. After extensive testing in Dealey Plaza, the experts concluded that the four impulses represented three gunshots fired from the TSBD and one from the Grassy Knoll. The HSCA had initially concurred with the findings of the WC, and a December 13, 1978, draft of their final report concluded that "there is insufficient evidence to find that there was a conspiracy". But the findings of the acoustical analysis provoked a sudden about-face and, at the eleventh hour, the report was amended. Some HSCA members objected to this abrupt reversal. For instance, in an appendix, Robert William Edgar expressed his dissent in the form of a question, "Did we rush to a conspiratorial conclusion?" Edgar went on to say that the HSCA "did a great job up to the last moment when in our focus on the acoustics we failed to give proper weight to other findings of the investigation." Edgar and his fellow dissenters were later vindicated when the HSCA analysis failed to withstand peer-reviewed scrutiny. A study conducted in 1982 by the National Academy of Sciences found that the "acoustic impulses attributed to gunshots were recorded about one minute after the President had been shot". It's unclear exactly where the motorcycle with the open microphone was located. The HSCA identified DPD Patrolman Hollis Buren McLain (riding a two-wheeled motorcycle in the motorcade) as the officer with the offending microphone. McLain objected to this conclusion. DPD Sergeant James Carl Bowles concluded in a lengthy 1979 rebuttal that the "motorcycle with the open mike was at the Trade Mart" and claimed to have identified (without naming) the officer who drove a three-wheeled motorcycle. DPD Patrolman Leslie Earl Beilharz (awaiting the motorcade on a three-wheeled motorcycle near the Trade Mart) told the chairman of the aforementioned 1982 study there was a "good possibility" his was the offending microphone. Author Vincent Bugliosi contacted McLain, Bowles, Beilharz, and other former DPD officers in the early 2000s. In a lengthy endnote, Bugliosi examined the acoustical evidence and identified Beilharz and DPD Patrolman Willie Price (also awaiting the motorcade on a three-wheeled motorcycle near the Trade Mart) as the two most probable candidates. While the HSCA regrettably hinged their conclusion upon a flawed acoustical analysis, it was but a tiny fraction of their ambitious multipronged investigation. They answered or, at least, disambiguated hundreds of questions, and the complementary set of twelve appendix volumes contains a staggering wealth of information.
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1979James C. BowlesJFK Online, David A. Reitzes
Shortly after the HSCA published their final report in 1979, DPD Sergeant James Carl Bowles, a former radio dispatch supervisor, rebutted their conspiratorial conclusion in this lengthy report. It was also published in 1993 as an appendix to reference #165i.
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1982National Research Council & The National Academies Press
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2007Vincent BugliosiW. W. Norton & CompanyP. 153-218
The cited pages refer to the Endnotes section of the book. Specifically, endnote #381, titled "this entire acoustics issue".
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#1025CD62
Quote from FBI interview with Ochus Virgil Campbell.
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#103Witnesses Deceived by Echoes
Many earwitnesses suspected the true origin of the gunshots was masked by echoes. Some had even experienced similar acoustic illusions in Dealey Plaza long before November 22, 1963. The list below is by no means exhaustive.
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Abraham Zapruder WC testimony.
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#b6CH173
James Henry Crawford WC testimony.
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#c6CH263
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig WC testimony.
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#d87CD291
Billy Nolan Lovelady DCSO affidavit.
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#e6CH165
Thomas Clinton Dillard WC testimony.
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#f6CH287
By November 22, 1963, Lee Edward Bowers had worked in a railyard watchtower northwest of the TSBD for over a decade. During his time in this tower, Bowers had, on multiple occasions, noticed an acoustic illusion whereby sounds from the TSBD sounded as though they came from the vicinity of the Triple Underpass and vice versa.
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1994Richard B. TraskYeoman PressP. 267
By the time of the assassination, Floy Marquis Bell had worked out of the USPS Terminal Annex Post Office building at the southwest corner of Houston and Commerce Street for many years and was familiar with Dealey Plaza. Bell told author Richard Trask in 1989 that Dealey Plaza was "a natural bowl, and there are echoes in it". Bell did not believe "any individual person can exactly tell how many shots were fired, because of the echoes."
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1998Larry A. SneedUniversity of North Texas PressP. 508
Some 35 years after the assassination, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Alvin Lafayette Maddox recalled that, before November 22, 1963, he'd noticed auditory illusions in Dealey Plaza. He described being on Houston Street and hearing an airliner flying overhead but "couldn't tell which way because of the reverberation of the sounds."
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#i8HSCA132-138
During reenactments of the shooting in the late 1970s, the HSCA found that the "buildings around [Dealey] Plaza caused strong reverberations, or echoes". The HSCA also found that a shot fired from the Grassy Knoll produced an echo that (to a listener in the same general vicinity) might sound as though it originated from anywhere between the TSBD and the Triple Underpass. See reference #96g and reference #101 for more about the HSCA's acoustical experiments.
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Quote by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig.
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#1057CH572
Quote by Abraham Zapruder.
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#1066CH287
Quote by Lee Edward Bowers.
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1957Major General Julian S. Hatcher, Lieutenant Colonel Frank J. Jury, et. al.The Stackpole CompanyP. 420
This popular firearms textbook was published six years before the assassination. The authors explain, "Little credence [...] should be put in what anyone says about a shot or even the number of shots. These things coming upon him suddenly are generally extremely inaccurately recorded in his memory."
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I compiled this list of TSBD employees while working on the video and thought it might be useful for future researchers. Others have compiled similar lists in the past, but it can't hurt to make this available in case someone should need it. While authorities did compile a few lists shortly after the assassination, they varied in scope and accuracy. A complete list did exist at one point (see 5CD336), but no such list appears to exist today. I'm aware of 81 employees (excluding LHO) mentioned by name during the investigation. Three of them (highlighted in green) worked at a different building at 1917 North Houston Street. Ten employees (highlighted in red) were absent from work on November 22, 1963. Six employees (highlighted in yellow) showed up for work but left Dealey Plaza prior to the shooting. That leaves 62 employees in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting. Three of them (Eddie Piper, Roy Edward Lewis, and Troy Eugene West) were on the first floor of the TSBD. Two employees (Carol Ann Hughes and Geneva Lucile Hine) were on the second floor. Four employees (Doris Fay Burns, Edna Mae Case, Sandra Sue Elerson, and Steven Francis Wilson) were on the third floor. Eight employees (Betty Alice Foster, Dorothy Ann Garner, Elsie Theresa Dorman, Mary Madeline Hollies, Ruth Nelson, Sandra Kay Styles, Victoria Eleanor Adams, and Yola Agnes Hopson) were on the fourth floor. Four employees (Bonnie Ray Williams, Harold Dean Norman, Jack Edwin Dougherty, and James Earl Jarman) were on the fifth floor. No one (except for the assassin) was on the sixth or seventh floor. The remaining 41 watched the motorcade from somewhere outside.
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#a706CD
A list of TSBD employees compiled by the FBI.
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#b87CD775-791
A list of TSBD employees compiled by the USSS.
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November 22, 1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
A list of TSBD employees compiled by the DPD. This list was compiled in the frantic aftermath of the assassination, so it is understandably flawed and incomplete. It contains a lot of typos and duplicates. It even recorded Linnie Mae Randle (older sister of Buell Wesley Frazier) as a TSBD employee before it was crossed out. Peggy Bigler Hawkins (her maiden name was actually Bibler, not Bigler) was not herself an employee of the TSBD but the wife (see reference #108d) of a virtually undocumented employee named John Hawkins.
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#d897CD35
According to this FBI summary report, Peggy Joyce Hawkins was the wife of a TSBD employee named John Hawkins. The report states "she made plans to meet her husband" at the TSBD to watch the motorcade. Peggy ended up watching the motorcade with some of her husband's female coworkers by the north curb of Elm Street. One of them explained (see 24CH682) that John worked as "an agent for Allyn and Bacon, Inc." (one of the book publishers with offices in the TSBD) and that they had a four-year-old son named John. From what I can tell, John Sr. was never questioned by authorities, and his whereabouts during the shooting are unknown. But the fact he was never questioned and barely mentioned by coworkers points to his absence. Peggy was born Peggy Joyce Bibler on September 6, 1934, in Scottsville, Arkansas. She died on December 21, 2019, in Russellville, Arkansas.
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#e296CD4
This report mentioned a woman named Ruth Willis, who owned a Post Office Box. Willis was reportedly an employee of the TSBD who worked on the fourth floor and "heard footsteps overhead just after shots were fired." There are no other references to an employee by that name. This is probably a reference to Mary Madeline Hollies. The surnames Willis and Hollies are phonetically similar, and Hollies listed her address as Post Office Box #5944 in reference #108c above. Furthermore, Hollies watched the motorcade from the fourth floor and told a coworker (see 7CD23) she heard footsteps of people running across the floor above immediately after the shooting. This would be consistent with reference #117.
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#f19CH511
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Jack Wilson Faulkner wrote in this report that he went up to the roof of the TSBD along with an employee named "Joe Loraine" shortly after the assassination. There are no other references to an employee by that name. It could have been Joe Rodriguez Molina or, perhaps, Billy Nolan Lovelady, who stated (see 24CH214) he "took some police officers up to search the building" sometime after the shooting. The first name of James Earl Jarman was also recorded as "Joe" in reference #108c above.
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Mary FerrellMary Ferrell FoundationP. 27-43
A list of TSBD employees (along with diagrams of their approximate locations) compiled by historian Mary Elizabeth McHughes Ferrell.
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#109Direction of Gunshots According to Piper
Eddie Piper was employed as the janitor of the TSBD. He watched the motorcade on the first floor from the second south-facing window, counted from the main entrance. Piper was confident he heard three shots and believed they originated from somewhere inside the building. Piper recalled that, shortly after the shooting, he corrected someone who thought the shots had come from "the railroad tracks" by saying they had come "from the top of the building."
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Eddie Piper DCSO affidavit.
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Eddie Piper DPD interview.
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Eddie Piper FBI signed statement.
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Eddie Piper WC testimony.
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#110No Gunshots
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Edna Mae Case FBI signed statement.
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Sandra Sue Elerson FBI signed statement.
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Troy Eugene West was on the first floor of the TSBD at the time of the shooting. When he testified before the WC, West told them he heard no gunshots. However, when questioned by the USSS (see 87CD785), West had reportedly told them that he "heard the shots fired".
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Doris Fay Burns was walking from her office towards a south-facing window on the third floor of the TSBD at the time of the shooting. According to this FBI report, Burns told them she heard no gunshots. When she was reinterviewed by the FBI (see 706CD12) and later appeared before the WC (see 6CH399), Burns told them she heard one gunshot.
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#111Direction of Gunshots According to Wilson
Steven Francis Wilson watched the motorcade from the second south-facing window (counted from the east) on the third floor of the TSBD. Wilson was captured standing in that window in reference #224d, mere seconds after the shooting.
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Steven Francis Wilson FBI interview.
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Steven Francis Wilson FBI signed statement.
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#112Direction of Gunshots According to Dorman
Elsie Theresa Dorman watched the motorcade from a south-facing window on the fourth floor of the TSBD. Dorman could not recall how many shots were fired but thought they were "coming from the area of the Records Building." The Dallas County Records Building was located diagonally (cater-cornered) across the street from the TSBD, at the southeast corner of Houston and Elm Street. Apart from what she witnessed, Dorman actually filmed the motorcade from her position on the fourth floor. Dorman had brought her husband's camera but was "not too familiar with its operation". The film is very shaky, captures very little of the motorcade, and frustratingly ends moments into the shooting.
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#113Direction of Gunshots According to Adams
Victoria Eleanor Adams watched the motorcade from a window on the fourth floor of the TSBD. According to the FBI, Adams told them she watched the motorcade from "the second window from the left of the building" (left meaning east in this context). According to a DPD report, Adams told them it was "the third [window] from the front of the building." According to another FBI report, Adams told them she watched the motorcade from "the sixth window from the left". In her WC testimony, Adams clarified that she watched the motorcade from the third pair of windows and the sixth individual widow from the east. Adams heard three shots and believed they had come from the west, although she thought it was "possibly because of the report."
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Victoria Eleanor Adams FBI interview.
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February 17, 1964Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
Victoria Eleanor Adams DPD interview.
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Victoria Eleanor Adams FBI signed statement.
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#d6CH388
Victoria Eleanor Adams WC testimony.
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#114Direction of Gunshots According to Hollies
Mary Madeline Hollies watched the motorcade from a window on the fourth floor of the TSBD. Hollies heard three shots and believed they came from somewhere inside the building. There's an interesting connection between Hollies and the statements made by James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman (see reference #117). Jarman, Williams, and Norman claimed to have run across the fifth floor from the southeast corner to the southwest corner shortly after the shooting. Addie Avery Davis recalled (see 7CD23) that Hollies told her she "heard footsteps running across the floor directly above her" immediately after the shooting. So Hollies indirectly corroborated the accounts of Jarman, Williams, and Norman.
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February 18, 1964Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
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#b706CD42
Mary Madeline Hollies FBI signed statement.
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#115Gunshots Shake Depository
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Geneva Lucile Hine WC testimony.
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#b6CH386
Eddie Piper WC testimony.
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Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony.
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September 27, 1964CBSNational Archives and Records Administration & Internet Archive01:31:35-01:31:45
Harold Dean Norman was interviewed by CBS News in 1964. Norman told them that the first gunshot "shook the building a little bit because it was that powerful."
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Quote by Geneva Lucile Hine.
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#117Shooting According to Jarman, Williams, and Norman
James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman watched the motorcade from the two easternmost south-facing windows on the fifth floor of the TSBD. Jarman thought it sounded as though the shots had been fired from somewhere below and to the east of their position. After discussing it with Williams and Norman, Jarman decided the three shots must have been fired from the sixth floor above them. Both Williams and Norman believed the shots had been fired from the floor above them, i.e. the sixth floor. Norman, who was in the far east window (directly underneath the SN), heard the gunman reloading a bolt-action rifle and the spent shell casings falling onto the floorboards. There was some disagreement as to whether dust fell from the ceiling, but all three recalled that the explosions dislodged some debris from the ledge above and struck Williams in the head. None of them recalled hearing any noise or footsteps from upstairs. But Jarman confessed he didn't pay much attention, and Williams thought that "probably the reason we didn't hear anything is because, you know, after the shots we were running, too, and that was making a louder noise." They ran down to the southwest corner of the building immediately after the shooting and remained there for several minutes. Jarman said it was as little as 1 minute, while Norman said it could have been as long as 15 minutes. A shelf blocked their view of the staircase, but they were distracted by the pandemonium outside regardless. They discussed what to do next, and Williams confessed they were frightened to go upstairs. Eventually, they took the stairs down to the first floor.
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#a3CH204-211
James Earl Jarman WC testimony.
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#b3CH174-184
Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony.
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#c3CH191-197
Harold Dean Norman WC testimony.
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#d87CD797
When he testified before the WC, Harold Dean Norman corrected some of the wording in this USSS affidavit. Norman did not recall saying he "knew the shots came from directly above us." Furthermore, Norman did not recall saying that he heard the second and third gunshots "several seconds" after the first because he "didn't have any idea what time it was." Unlike many other documents, however, this USSS affidavit was reviewed and signed by Norman. Regardless, the corrections are largely immaterial as Norman still recalled hearing the gunshots being fired by someone upstairs, the bolt-action of the rifle being operated, and the expended cartridge cases striking the floorboards.
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Photographs of James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman during a reenactment of their movements on the fifth floor.
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Quote by Harold Dean Norman.
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#1192CH159
Quote by Robert Hill Jackson.
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#1203CH177, 179
Quotes by Bonnie Ray Williams.
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#121The Second-Floor Lunchroom Encounter
When the first shot rang out, DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker had just made a right turn from Main to Houston Street. Baker recognized it as a gunshot and saw pigeons flying away from the TSBD and/or the adjacent Dal-Tex building. Baker felt "pretty sure" the birds had come from the TSBD. Baker drove his motorcycle up to the TSBD and met Roy Sansom Truly inside the main entrance lobby. Truly escorted Baker to the rear freight elevators, looked up the elevator shaft, and shouted twice for someone upstairs to close the gate (see reference #44). Realizing the two elevators were stuck, Baker drew his revolver and followed Truly up the stairs. On the second floor, they encountered a man inside a lunchroom. Baker initially wrote in his DCSO affidavit that the encounter occurred on the "third or fourth floor" but later told the WC that he "didn't know how many floors" the TSBD had and placed the encounter on the second floor. Truly placed the encounter on the second floor without hesitation. Even LHO acknowledged the lunchroom encounter (see reference #210) and placed it on the second floor. Besides, the second floor was the only floor with a canteen near the rear staircase. Both Truly and Baker identified the lunchroom employee as LHO. They described him as calm and expressionless. He never said a word and failed to evoke suspicion. Neither of them recalled LHO being out of breath, but during the reenactments (see reference #127), the stand-in for the gunman displayed no shortness of breath either. After Truly informed Baker that the man was an employee of the TSBD, they left him in the lunchroom and proceeded up the stairs. Some believe this encounter was fabricated whole cloth (e.g. reference #209) by the alleged conspirators. I did not find their arguments persuasive.
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#a87CD285
Following the second-floor lunchroom encounter and a quick sweep of the roof, DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker and Roy Sansom Truly went their separate ways. Baker was informed by Truly that the man in the lunchroom was a TSBD employee but never learned his name. Later that evening, Baker went down to the DPD to make a sworn statement. He described the man that he and Truly had encountered as an employee, white, approximately 30 years old, 5'9" (175 cm), 165 lbs (75 kg), dark hair, wearing a light brown jacket. When he later testified before the WC, Baker explained that he was "giving this affidavit" in a small office when LHO was brought into a different room for questioning and that he "did get to see him at that time." In spite of this, Baker made no mention of LHO in his affidavit. Some authors find it suspicious that Baker failed to identify LHO as the second-floor lunchroom employee in his affidavit when (in the process of writing said affidavit) LHO was being interrogated across the hall in Baker's field of view. However, Baker never clarified if he signed his affidavit before or after seeing LHO. Baker might have already completed his sworn statement and, while awaiting to be dismissed, observed LHO through a window or half-opened door. It's also possible that Baker opted not to identify LHO until he could get a better view to avoid implicating an innocent man based solely on a casual glance from across the floor. But the interpretation favored by some conspiracy theorists is that Baker failed to identify LHO because the man in the lunchroom was a different employee altogether. When he testified before the WC four months later, Baker unequivocally identified the second-floor lunchroom employee as LHO. Truly identified LHO as the second-floor lunchroom employee the day after the shooting.
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#b3CH245-270
DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker WC testimony.
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#c87CD283-284
Roy Sansom Truly DCSO affidavit.
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Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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November 23, 1963Dallas Morning NewsVol. 115No. 54P. 6
This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to mention this somewhere. In an article published in the Dallas Morning News on November 23, 1963, Ochus Virgil Campbell had reportedly told them that, shortly after the shooting, Roy Sansom Truly and an unnamed officer encountered LHO in a "storage room on the first floor". The story even made its way across the country and appeared in The New York Herald Tribune (Capture: 'It's All Over Now', Vol. 123, No. 42611, P. 2) that same morning, although it was now Campbell himself who had seen LHO in the storage room rather than something he'd overheard or been told by others. When questioned by authorities (see 5CD62, 5CD337, and 87CD776-777), Campbell maintained he'd never even seen LHO and would be unable to recognize him. The story was presumably passed from Truly to Campbell to the press, and certain facts (such as the floor of the encounter) became distorted along the way. In fact, the New York Herald Tribune article is riddled with falsehoods. For instance, the article asserts that J.D. Tippit was gunned down after attempting to arrest LHO at the Texas Theater and that a rifle was found on a "fifth floor landing" at the TSBD.
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Quote by DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker.
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#123The Second-Floor Office Encounter
Jeraldean Reid is the last known person (see reference #125 for an even later encounter with an unknown person) to have seen LHO inside the TSBD after the assassination. Reid returned to her office on the second floor shortly after the shooting and passed LHO as he walked toward the front elevator and staircase. He had entered the office via a door near the lunchroom and had a full bottle of coke in his right hand. This is consistent with reference #121 as the lunchroom had a coke machine. As they passed one another, Reid told LHO that JFK had been shot. LHO mumbled something inaudible in response before leaving the office. Reid did not see exactly how LHO left the office, but he was heading toward the southeast corner and could have used the front elevator or front stairs to reach the ground floor. It's also possible (albeit far less likely) that he circled around, went down a hallway, and took either the rear stairs or one of the freight elevators down to the ground floor.
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#a87CD280
Jearaldean Reid DCSO affidavit.
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#b3CH273-279
Jearaldean Reid WC testimony.
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Quote by Jearaldean Reid.
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#125The First-Floor Entrance Encounter
According to USSS Inspector Thomas Joseph Kelley (see reference #193c), LHO claimed to have run into a USSS agent with a "crew-cut" who "asked him where the phone was" on the front steps of the TSBD upon his departure shortly after the shooting. All USSS agents escorted JFK to Parkland Hospital, but LHO might have mistaken a reporter wearing a press pass for a USSS agent wearing a badge. There are two candidates. NBC correspondent Robert Breckenridge MacNeil and WFAA Radio Program Director Pierce Morriss Allman. MacNeil was riding a press bus in the motorcade when the shooting began. MacNeil soon left the bus and headed for the TSBD in search of a phone. Just inside the main entrance, MacNeil encountered three men wearing "shirt sleeves" who appeared to be "exceedingly calm and relaxed". One of them was placing a call "in the middle of the room" and directed MacNeil to one of the other men "nearer the door" who then directed him to an office with a vacant phone. Nearly two decades later, in 1982, MacNeil wrote in his memoir that he'd asked "a young man in shirt sleeves" who was "coming out" of the TSBD for directions to the nearest phone. The man told MacNeil to ask the man on the phone. So it was now the man by the door who directed MacNeil to the mid-room caller, not vice versa. Allman had a remarkably similar experience. Allman watched the motorcade from the southwest corner of Elm and Houston Street. Within minutes of the shooting, Allman headed for the TSBD in search of a phone. Just inside the main entrance, Allman encountered a "white male" whom he inquired for directions to the nearest phone. The man pointed out a phone "located in an open area on the first floor". Allman was accompanied by a colleague named Terrence Scott Ford, who corroborated Allman's account. Neither MacNeil, Allman, nor Ford could identify the man they had encountered. When MacNeil saw LHO (both on TV and face-to-face) on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he failed to recognize him. Likewise, neither Allman nor Ford could positively identify LHO as the man they encountered. It's possible the mid-room caller seen by MacNeil was Allman, but there's no way to be certain. MacNeil's hair was short, but Allman's hairstyle was unmistakably crew-cut. In my opinion, Allman is the more probable candidate, but considering the parallels between the two stories, and the severe lack of details, LHO could have encountered either or neither of them.
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Robert Breckenridge MacNeil FBI interview.
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1982Robert MacNeilLittle, Brown, and CompanyP. 208 & 212-213
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2003Robert MacNeilNan A. TaleseP. 99-102
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December 18, 1963Columbia University Bureau of Applied Social Research RecordsJohn F. Kennedy Presidential Library and MuseumP. 3
In this interview with Pierce Morriss Allman, he stated, "I went to the Depository and in the door. In retrospect Oswald must have just left. If I'd only looked up at the window. I would have been able to point him out but I wasn't anticipating this." The interviewer also described Allman's hair as "crew cut."
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#e354CD4-6
Pierce Morriss Allman and Terrence Scott Ford USSS interviews. According to this document, LHO told interrogators that he'd seen two USSS agents rather than one. This would make it more probable that LHO encountered Allman and Ford rather than Robert Breckenridge MacNeil. This was the conclusion of the USSS, who wrote that Allan and Ford were "the men referred to by Oswald in his interview with Captain Fritz."
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#f950CD52
Pierce Morriss Allman DPD interview.
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#g950CD50
Terrence Scott Ford DPD interview.
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November 30, 1995The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza00:53:50-01:02:30
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#126The Bus
Less than 10 minutes after the assassination, LHO was observed boarding a bus on Elm Street, about seven blocks east of the TSBD. Mary Esther Bledsoe, a former landlady of LHO, happened to be on the bus and later identified him. LHO was also found in possession of a bus transfer ticket upon his arrest, placing him on that particular bus driving that particular route. The bus was driven by Cecil Joffre McWatters, who recalled that a man that resembled LHO had boarded the bus in the middle of the road on Elm Street between North Field and North Griffin Street around 12:39 or 12:40 PM. But the assassination ground traffic to a halt, and shortly thereafter, the same man disembarked near Lamar and Elm Street. McWatters recalled issuing the man a transfer ticket. One of only two tickets McWatters issued that trip. While McWatters thought the man resembled LHO, he could not positively identify him as LHO.
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#a6CH408-413
Mary Esther Bledsoe WC testimony.
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#b19CH561
Cecil Joffre McWatters DCSO affidavit.
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#c2CH263-291
Cecil Joffre McWatters WC testimony.
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A bus transfer ticket issued to LHO by bus driver Cecil Joffre McWatters. Found in LHO's wallet upon his arrest.
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#e4CH223
When interrogated by DPD Captain John William Fritz, LHO admitted that the bus transfer ticket had been issued to him by the driver of the bus he boarded after leaving the TSBD.
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#127The Time Trials
Roy Sansom Truly and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker returned to the TSBD on March 20, 1964, to time their movements on the day of the assassination. According to Baker, it took them 1 minute and 30 seconds to reach the second-floor lunchroom on the first attempt. Then 1 minute and 15 seconds. Truly could not recall the exact times but estimated it took them somewhere between 1 minute and 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Truly and Baker then joined USSS agent John Joe Howlett in the SN on the sixth floor. From there, they trotted down the stairs to the second-floor lunchroom to retrace the presumed escape route taken by LHO. According to Baker, it took them 1 minute and 18 seconds on the first attempt. Then 1 minute and 14 seconds on the second attempt. According to Truly, it actually took them 1 minute and 15 seconds on the second attempt, but he otherwise agreed with Baker. Howlett was not called to testify before the WC but stated in a brief affidavit that he was "not short-winded" after trotting down the stairs. Jeraldean Reid also participated in these time trials. It took Reid approximately 2 minutes (after standing outside for a while) to go from the main entrance to her office on the second floor via the front stairs.
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#a3CH228, 240
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#b3CH252-254
Marrion Lewis Baker WC testimony.
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#c7CH592
John Joe Howlett WC affidavit.
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#d3CH275
Jeraldean Reid WC testimony.
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#e5CD120-122
The FBI found that it took 1 minute and 45 seconds for a person standing in the SN to reach the main entrance on the first floor (not the second-floor lunchroom) using the rear staircase. The test was conducted "at a fast walk except in areas where an individual would have walked at a normal pace so as not to arouse suspicion." The FBI tested multiple routes and utilized several modes of travel. They found that route #6 was the most consistent with "witnesses and the position where the gun used in the assassination was located". Route #6 went from the SN, down the rear staircase to the second-floor lunchroom, down the front stairs, and out the main entrance. It took 2 minutes and 25 seconds in total. This included 30 seconds of waiting in the second-floor lunchroom to account for reference #121.
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1998Larry A. SneedUniversity of North Texas PressP. 21-22
Author Larry Sneed wrote in 1998 that his friend and fellow researcher Warren Graham simulated the escape of LHO inside the TSBD in the early 1980s. Starting in the southeast corner on the sixth floor (making sure to allocate a few seconds for the stowing of the rifle), Graham supposedly "went quickly down the stairs past the second floor lunchroom to the first floor, out the door, and onto the street." According to Sneed, this only took Graham 51 seconds. If that's accurate, LHO could have reached the second-floor lunchroom upwards of 30 seconds ahead of his encounter with DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker and Roy Sansom Truly. But it's a second-hand account briefly mentioned in the introduction to a book published more than a decade after Graham's supposed experiment, so it must be taken with a grain of salt. The cited page number refer to the introduction.
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September 27, 1964CBSNational Archives and Records Administration & Internet Archive00:52:45-00:57:10
DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker and Roy Sansom Truly were interviewed by CBS News in 1964 and related their encounter with LHO in the second-floor lunchroom inside the TSBD. Most notably, Baker stated, "From the time that I heard those shots [...] and made it up to the second floor, it was approximately a minute and a half to two minutes". That's exactly what Truly stated when he testified before the WC. The longest time estimate offered by Baker when he testified before the WC was 1 minute and 30 seconds. By the time of this interview (conducted a few weeks or months later), Baker had extended that estimate by another 30 seconds. However, Baker's more precise recollections during his sworn testimony obviously take precedence over this press interview.
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#128Elevators on the Fifth Floor
Roy Sansom Truly and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker looked up the rear elevator shaft (the two freight elevators shared the same shaft) shortly after the shooting. According to Baker, the elevators were "anywhere from three to four floors up". However, Baker was unsure how many floors the TSBD had and assumed there was just one large elevator. Truly had no doubts that the two freight elevators were on the fifth floor. This is substantiated by the accounts of James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman (see reference #53). Jarman recalled that the east elevator was on the sixth floor shortly before the shooting. He then rode the west elevator up to the fifth along with Harold Dean Norman. Soon thereafter, Williams rode the east elevator from the sixth floor to the fifth.
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#a3CH223, 240
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#b3CH254
DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker WC testimony.
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During the shooting, DPD Patrolman Welcome Eugene Barnett stood in front of the TSBD. Barnett then ran north on Houston Street and watched the fire escape attached to the eastern facade of the building because he suspected someone on the roof of the TSBD had fired the shots. Barnett never saw anyone descending the fire escape.
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#1303CH240
Quote by Roy Sansom Truly.
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#131The Descent of Styles and Adams
Victoria Eleanor Adams watched the motorcade from the fourth floor of the TSBD alongside Sandra Kay Styles, Dorothy Ann Garner, and Elsie Theresa Dorman. After the shooting, Adams and Styles ran down the stairs to the first floor. According to the FBI, Adams told them this occurred "immediately" after the shooting. When she testified before the WC, Adams clarified that immediately meant within "15 to 30 seconds, estimated, approximately." She neither saw nor heard anyone while they ran down the stairs. On the first floor, they encountered William Hoyt Shelley and Billy Nolan Lovelady. Adams told them she believed JFK had been shot before she and Styles left the TSBD via the rear entrance. Styles was never called to testify before the WC. Her brief and only interview with the FBI merely states that she and Adams "left the office at this time, went down the back stairs, and left the building at the back door."
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#a5CD39-40
Victoria Eleanor Adams FBI interview.
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February 17, 1964Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
Victoria Eleanor Adams DPD interview.
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Victoria Eleanor Adams WC testimony.
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#d706CD89
Sandra Kay Styles FBI signed statement.
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Quotes by Victoria Eleanor Adams.
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#1333CH229
When he testified before the WC, Roy Sansom Truly explained that when he and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker ran up the enclosed stairwell shortly after the shooting, they made so much noise that he "wouldn't have really heard" anyone using the elevators. When Victoria Eleanor Adams and Sandra Kay Styles spoke with author Barry Ernest (see reference #138) many years after the assassination, they told him they "would have heard other steps" and that there were "no other sounds" beside their own footfall. Such certitude must be taken with a grain of salt since Adams and Styles were attempting to recall the existence or lack of sound during a brief and frantic moment nearly four decades in their past. If the loud rumbling of a moving freight elevator could be outdinned by two men darting up the stairs, the subdued scampering of a fleeing assassin could surely have been drowned out by the descending footfall of two high-heeled women? The answer to that question is subjective and can be endlessly debated in the absence of some kind of experiment. Perhaps a blind test inside the TSBD could be performed. Multiple pairs of two, instructed only to run down the stairs, could later be asked if they heard anything during their descent. Unbeknownst to the participants, another person was simultaneously descending a few flights above them, something like that. Also, see reference #117 for a similar situation where three witnesses on the fifth floor failed to hear the footsteps of the fleeing assassin upstairs. One of them, Bonnie Ray Williams, thought it possible the assassin's footsteps had been drowned out by their own.
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#134The Shelley and Lovelady Encounter
William Hoyt Shelley and Billy Nolan Lovelady watched the motorcade from the front steps of the TSBD. After the shooting, they spent several minutes perambulating the nearby railroad tracks from where they believed the shots had been fired before returning to the TSBD. Shelley was asked whether he'd seen Victoria Eleanor Adams on the first floor upon their return but could not recall. Shelley only recalled seeing Adams on the fourth floor sometime later in the day. Lovelady vaguely recalled seeing "a girl" who was "talking to Bill or saw Bill or something" somewhere on the first floor. Bill was Shelley's nickname. Lovelady thought it possible but could not be certain that this woman was Adams. Some authors question the credibility of Shelley and Lovelady because they failed to mention their excursion to the rail yards in their initial DCSO affidavits taken on the day of the assassination. But countless witnesses omitted details that only became relevant in hindsight. James Elbert Romack is a good example (see reference #91). When he testified before the WC, Romack explained that he had not intended to come forward because he never saw anything of note. What Romack failed to realize was that his failure to see anything or anyone of note was precisely why his testimony was so important. Shelley and Lovelady (and many other witnesses) could've easily reasoned the same. They didn't see anything by the railroad tracks, so there was no need to mention it.
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Billy Nolan Lovelady DCSO affidavit.
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#b6CH338-341
Billy Nolan Lovelady WC testimony.
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William Hoyt Shelley DCSO affidavit.
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#d6CH328-331
William Hoyt Shelley WC testimony.
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Quote by Billy Nolan Lovelady.
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#136Garner's Observations
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#a706CD33-34
Dorothy Ann Garner was the supervisor of the Scott, Foresman and Co. office on the fourth floor of the TSBD. She watched the motorcade from a window on the same floor alongside Victoria Eleanor Adams, Sandra Kay Styles, and Elsie Theresa Dorman. Garner was never called to testify before the WC and does not mention Adams and Styles leaving the fourth floor in her brief and only interview with the FBI.
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June 2, 1964Martha Joe StroudUnited States Department of Justice
On April 7, 1964, Victoria Eleanor Adams testified before WC counsel David William Belin at the office of the US attorney in Dallas. Less than two months later, a transcript of her deposition was forwarded to WC General Counsel James Lee Rankin in a letter written by assistant attorney Martha Joe Stroud. The letter lists a few grammatical corrections, but the last paragraph mentions Dorothy Ann Garner. According to Stroud, Garner stated that "after Miss Adams went downstairs she (Miss Garner) saw Mr. Truly and the policeman come up." Stroud does not mention where nor to whom Garner made the statement. Only that she made it "this morning". The letter is dated June 2, 1964. Nevertheless, the statement corroborated Adams' account that she and Sandra Kay Styles descended the stairs before the ascent of Roy Sansom Truly and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker. The Stroud letter was uncovered at the National Archives in 1999 by author Barry Ernest and is included and discussed by him (in far greater detail) in reference #138. This scan of the document is hosted on Ernest's website.
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Sandra Kay Styles FBI sworn statement.
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2018Barry ErnestArcadia Publishing
Author Barry Ernest spent decades researching the stairwell descent of Victoria Eleanor Adams and Sandra Kay Styles. Quotes attributed to Adams are sprinkled throughout the book, but the bulk of her statements are confined to Chapters 27 through 29. Interviews with Sandra Kay Styles and Dorothy Ann Garner can be found in Chapters 30 and 32, respectively. While Adams, Styles, and Garner made rather explosive claims in this book, one must acknowledge (which, in fairness, Ernest did on occasion) that memory degrades with age. Details tend to become distorted, and we're not always aware of these distortions. Minutiae like the precise timing and sequence of events are especially fragile and susceptible to change. Adams and Styles were first interviewed in 2002. That's nearly four decades after the assassination. Adams was then 61 years old. Styles was 62. Garner was first interviewed in 2011 when she was 83. She passed away the following year. The point of such doubt is not to suggest that these interviews have no value. But they warrant much greater caution than an interview conducted within days or weeks of the assassination. The first edition of this book was published in 2010, but the cited page numbers are for the 2018 paperback edition.
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A website run by Barry Ernest that complements his book above.
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#139Black Depository Employee on the First Floor
When author Barry Ernest spoke with Victoria Eleanor Adams and Sandra Kay Styles in 2002, they recalled possibly seeing a black employee on the first floor of the TSBD after running down the stairs. Only four black employees (see reference #108) could have made it to the rear stairway in time; Carl Jones, Roy Lewis, Eddie Piper, and Troy West. Among them, only Piper paid any attention to the rear stairway. Piper did not see anyone descend the stairs prior to the ascent of Roy Sansom Truly and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker.
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#a6CH383-385
Eddie Piper (see also 7CH389) watched the motorcade from the second south-facing window on the first floor, counted from the main entrance. After the second shot, Piper rose from the box he was sitting on and headed for a coffee table (near the rear staircase) to look at a clock and record the time. Shortly thereafter, Piper saw Roy Sansom Truly and DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker approaching the elevators. Truly yelled, "Where is the elevator?" And Piper replied, "I don't know, sir, Mr. Truly." Piper then saw Truly and Baker run up the stairs. Piper denied seeing anyone descend the staircase between the shooting and Truly and Baker's ascent. Some authors question the credibility of Piper (the WC described him as a "confused witness") because he initially fixed the time of the shooting at 12:25 PM. The first shot rang out at 12:30 PM (see reference #58). Was the clock running five minutes late? Had the motorcade not been delayed (see reference #37), it would indeed have passed the TSBD at approximately 12:25 PM. Perhaps Piper was aware of this estimated time and got it confused with the actual time? Even if the clock was correctly calibrated and Piper misremembered, a witness getting the time wrong by five minutes hardly warrants blind rejection of everything they said. Even a witness as unreliable as Jack Edwin Dougherty (see reference #173) deserves careful consideration.
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#b6CH361-362
When he testified before the WC, Troy Eugene West was asked, "Do you know whether anyone was going up and down the stairs?" West responded, "No, sir; I don't." While West was relatively close to the rear staircase (during the shooting), he sat/stood with his back towards it as he was "spellbound" by the commotion outside.
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#c706CD52-53
Carl Edward Jones watched the motorcade from the front steps. While he could have gone back to the rear staircase shortly after the shooting, there's no evidence that he did.
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#d706CD61
Roy Edward Lewis probably watched the motorcade from the lobby on the first floor, just inside the glass door. However, according to a USSS interview (see 87CD781) and a much later interview with author Larry Sneed (see page 86 of reference #103h), Lewis watched the motorcade from the front steps. Lewis' movements after the shooting are largely unknown. According to James Earl Jarman (see 3CH207), Lewis was on the first floor (somewhere between the rear staircase and the front entrance) when he and Bonnie Ray Williams and Harold Dean Norman descended from the fifth floor several minutes after the shooting.
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Quote by Eddie Piper.
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#141Email Correspondence Between Styles and Murphy
In a series of newsgroup messages, assassination researcher Sean Murphy shared some of his correspondence with Sandra Kay Styles. If these quotes are accurately attributed to Styles, they refute much of what Victoria Eleanor Adams and Styles reportedly told author Barry Ernest (see reference #138). In these email exchanges, Styles reportedly told Murphy that she and Adams "lingered by the window for quite some time" and that "logic tells me it had to take a couple of minutes at least for things to sink in and [for us] to make the decision to go." Styles found Adams's recollection of events to be "somewhat sensationalistic and at odds with my own memory of those minutes." Styles had "no clear recollection" of seeing Billy Nolan Lovelady and William Hoyt Shelley when she and Adams reached the first floor. However, Styles conceded she "really wasn't paying much attention" and thought it "perfectly possible we did see them where Vickie said we did - near the freight elevator." Styles also admitted that she was young and impressionable in 1963 and, generally, expressed great uncertainty about the whole ordeal. Murphy initially shared this correspondence on a now-defunct JFK assassination forum (JFK Lancer) on July 27, 2008. I tried to contact Murphy to learn more, but he never responded.
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#aMessage #1March 9, 2009Sean Murphyalt.assassination.jfk
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#bMessage #2January 28, 2011Sean Murphyalt.assassination.jfk
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#cMessage #3April 30, 2011Sean Murphyalt.assassination.jfk
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#1423CH228
Quote by Roy Sansom Truly.
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#1433CH252
Quote by DPD Patrolman Marrion Lewis Baker.
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#144Oswald's Absence
After Roy Sansom Truly and Marrion Lewis Baker finished searching the roof of the TSBD, they returned to the first floor. Truly then noticed that LHO was not among the warehouse workers being frisked and questioned by authorities. Some authors find it suspicious that Truly would single out LHO when at least one other warehouse worker, Charles Douglas Givens, was also missing. But Truly explained that LHO was fresh on his mind due to the second-floor lunchroom encounter. Besides, Truly had observed Givens leaving the TSBD shortly before the assassination, heading east on Elm Street. This is consistent with Givens' recollection of events (see 6CH351). So LHO was the only employee whom Truly knew at that moment had left the building after the shooting.
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Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#b7CH382-383
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#1453CH229-230
Quote by Roy Sansom Truly.
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#146Discovery of the Sniper's Nest
The Sniper's Nest (also known as the Sniper's Den, Sniper's Perch, Sniper's Lair, etc.) was discovered by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney. The exact time is unknown, but Mooney estimated he found the SN (as well as the three cartridge cases resting on the floor inside) at approximately 01:00 PM. But there are many conflicting accounts. After discovering the SN, Mooney "leaned out the window" and attempted to attract the attention of some officers on the street below. Among them was DPD Captain John William Fritz. But Mooney struggled to make himself heard and, with few exceptions, "they wasn't looking up." One of the exceptions was DCSO Chief Deputy Sheriff Allan Sweatt, who recalled that Mooney "stuck his head out" and reported that "he had found some spent cartridge cases". Unfortunately, Sweatt neglected to mention when this occurred. Sweatt was standing next to DPD Inspector James Herbert Sawyer, who later recalled that "someone inside the building" informed him of the casings' discovery at some unspecified time. Fritz recalled arriving at the TSBD at 12:58 PM along with DPD Detectives Richard Milton Sims and Elmer Loyd Boyd (loyd boyd lol). They stood in front of the TSBD for an unspecified time before they rushed inside and commenced a systematic floor-by-floor search for the assassin. DPD Sergeant Gerald Lynn Hill arrived at the TSBD shortly before Fritz. Hill was on the sixth floor when Mooney discovered the SN. After a brief lookover, Hill followed Mooney's initiative by leaning out of a window (second from the east) and "yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab." This moment was captured by press photographers. But, just like Mooney, Hill struggled to make himself heard because he was "not getting any indication from the street that they heard me". Shortly thereafter, Hill approached the freight elevators and noticed that DPD Captain John William Fritz and other officers "were coming up on the elevator." Hill then directed Fritz to the SN. Boyd, meanwhile, recalled that he was with Fritz and Sims on the seventh floor when "someone called us and said they had found some hulls, rifle hulls, down on the sixth floor". This was corroborated by Sims, although Fritz ambiguously told the WC he was running "back and forth from floor to floor" when he was informed of the SN. In a joint report by Sims and Boyd, they wrote that the casings (and, therefore, the SN) were found at about 01:15 PM. However, Sawyer announced the discovery of "empty rifle hulls" over police radio at approximately 01:12 PM. So the SN could not have been discovered any later than 01:12 PM. DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day recalled arriving at the TSBD at approximately 01:12 PM (see 4CH249). Hill recalled that, after directing Fritz to the SN, he went downstairs and informed Sawyer of the casings just as Day arrived at the scene. So the accounts of Sawyer, Hill, and Day all corroborate each other. Hill was presumably the "someone inside the building" who told Sawyer about the casings. Many interpretations are possible. The WC concluded that Mooney discovered the SN barricade at approximately 01:00 PM but kept "searching that area" until he found the three empty cartridge cases at approximately 01:12 PM. That's not consistent with Mooney's testimony. Mooney told the WC he found the casings mere moments (certainly not 12 minutes) after he stumbled upon the SN. I find 01:00 PM to be the more probable time estimate. Sims and Boyd (among others) likely recorded the time that they personally learned of the SN rather than the time of its actual discovery by Mooney. Author Richard Trask has narrowed it down even further and rather persuasively argues the SN was discovered before 01:05 PM.
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#a3CH284-285
When he testified before the WC, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney stated that "it was approaching one o'clock" and "it could have been one o'clock" when he first happened upon the barricade of boxes comprising the SN. But Mooney confessed he neglected to look at his watch to record the precise time. Mooney recalled that fellow DCSO Deputy Sheriffs Arthur Daniel McCurley, Samuel Thomas Webster, and Billy Joe Victory (erroneously recorded as Vickery) were the first to arrive after he discovered the SN. This was corroborated by McCurley (see 19CH514). None of them were called to testify, and (as far as I can tell) neither Webster nor Victory wrote a report/were interviewed.
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#b6CH322
At approximately 01:12 PM on November 22, 1963, DPD Inspector James Herbert Sawyer was standing by the front entrance of the TSBD when he reported (see reference #82; Channel #2) over police radio that "empty rifle hulls" had been discovered on the fifth floor. Sawyer explained that the information was "reported to me by someone inside the building." Sawyer further clarified that he mistook the sixth floor for the fifth, as many others are known to have done. Note that some transcripts of this radio call record Sawyer saying "on the third floor." But the audio recording makes it clear that Sawyer said "on the fifth floor".
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#c4CH204-205
DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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#d7CH121
DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd WC testimony.
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#e7CH159-160
DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims WC testimony.
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#f81CD566-567
According to this report, jointly written by DPD Detectives Richard Milton Sims and Elmer Loyd Boyd, the three cartridge cases in the SN were discovered by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney at approximately 01:15 PM. Sims repeated this time when he testified before the WC. The report also stated that DPD Captain John William Fritz ordered DPD Detectives Leslie Dell Montgomery and Marvin Johnson to stand guard by the SN at 01:25 PM. Shortly thereafter, the rifle was found.
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#g7CH97
When he testified before the WC, DPD Detective Leslie Dell Montgomery stated he and his partner, DPD Detective Marvin Johnson, arrived at the TSBD on November 22, 1963, at approximately 12:40 or 12:45 PM. They reported to the sixth floor and spoke with DPD Captain John William Fritz, who directed them to stand guard by the SN. According to Montgomery, the cartridge cases had already been found at this point, but the rifle had not yet been found.
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#h7CH101-102
When he testified before the WC, DPD Detective Marvin Johnson stated that he and his partner, DPD Detective Leslie Dell Montgomery, arrived at the TSBD on November 22, 1963, at approximately 01:00 PM. They reported to the sixth floor and spoke with DPD Captain John William Fritz, who directed them to stand guard by the SN. Johnson was "pretty sure" the three cartridge cases in the SN had already been found at this point. However, this might have been after they spoke with Fritz which occurred "a few minutes" after their arrival.
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#i19CH531-532
DCSO Chief Deputy Sheriff Allan Sweatt was standing on the street in front of the TSBD when DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney "stuck his head out" of a window on the "northeast corner" of the building and reported that "he had found some spent cartridge cases". According to Sweatt, Mooney was "told to let them remain untouched until the DPD Crime Lab arrived on the scene." Sweatt mistook the sixth floor for the fifth, as many others are known to have done.
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#j81CD575
DPD Detective Billy Louis Senkel recalled that he arrived at the TSBD at 12:50 PM, then got to the sixth floor at 01:10 PM, before the SN was discovered at 01:15 PM. According to Senkel, DPD Captain John William Fritz, DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd, and DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims were all present "at this time."
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1994Richard B. TraskYeoman PressP. 523
According to author Richard Trask, the SN was discovered sometime before 01:05 PM. Trask based this conclusion upon a photograph in which a half-opened window (second south-facing window from the east on the sixth floor) and the clock and temperature display atop the roof of the TSBD are simultaneously visible. The time readout was 01:05 PM, and the window was the same one opened by DPD Sergeant Gerald Lynn Hill shortly after DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney discovered the SN. Trask reasoned that the photograph must have been taken after it was opened by Hill and, by extension, after the discovery of the SN. This window was closed during the shooting (see reference #224) and several minutes thereafter (e.g. reference #226t). The possibility remains, however, that the window was opened and closed on multiple occasions. Hill merely told the WC he "went over" to the window, neglecting to specify whether he opened or closed it. But it's a probable assumption that Hill was the first to open the window and that he left it open afterward. Unfortunately, Trask does not include this photograph in his book.
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#1473CH284
Quote by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney.
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#148The Chicken Bones
Remains of fried chicken were discovered on the sixth floor of the TSBD shortly after the shooting. But witnesses offered divergent, sometimes conflicting, accounts as to the precise location of these remains. A small paper sack containing chicken bones and an empty bottle of Dr. Pepper was found underneath the third south-facing window, counted from the east wall of the building. Photographs corroborate the existence of these items, and Bonnie Ray Williams claimed ownership of the leftovers. Multiple witnesses, including DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney (who discovered the SN), recalled seeing a half-eaten piece of chicken and a small paper sack resting atop one of the boxes in the SN. These accounts are too numerous, too consistent, and too close in time to the events recalled to be discounted as mere lapses in memory. Yet no leftovers are visible atop the boxes in the SN in any of the crime scene photographs. Some officers also denied ever seeing such items near the SN.
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#a3CH286-289
When he testified before the WC (see also 19CH529), DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney recalled seeing a "partially eaten piece of fried chicken" lying next to a small paper sack atop a stack of boxes in the SN. The exact spot is unclear, but Mooney was shown a photograph (see reference #148b below) of the SN and identified two potential locations. Mooney stated that the box upon which the chicken piece and paper sack rested was about 5 ft (1.5 m) from the SN window. It required only "one step" for someone standing in the SN to reach over and place the items on the box. The paper sack was about 8-10" (20-25 cm) wide. Mooney saw no chicken remains nor paper sacks elsewhere on the sixth floor and failed to notice the Dr. Pepper bottle near the third south-facing window but confessed he "didn't check" that area.
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This photograph of the SN was shown to DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney when he testified before the WC. The two stacks of boxes marked with an X indicate the two most probable locations where Mooney found a half-eaten piece of chicken and a small paper sack. These boxes were stacked along the east wall of the building.
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#c19CH514
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Arthur Daniel McCurley saw a "half-eaten piece of chicken" resting atop one of the boxes in the SN. McCurley went over to the SN within seconds of its discovery.
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#d19CH502
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Harry Huey Weatherford saw a "partially eaten piece of chicken" resting atop one of the boxes in the SN. Weatherford went over to the SN within seconds of its discovery.
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#e7CH97-98
According to DPD Detective Leslie Dell Montgomery, there were pieces of chicken "scattered around" the SN. These leftovers were resting on the floor and atop some boxes "around where the hulls were found." When he testified before the WC, Montgomery was shown a photograph (see 21CH649, Studebaker Exhibit J) and indicated that a partially eaten piece of chicken had been found resting atop a stack of boxes located somewhere to the left and out of view of that photograph. That would be the east barricade of the SN, consistent with the location identified by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney. Montgomery also recalled a small paper sack but was unsure of its exact location. This sack differed from a large paper bag (see reference #168) found resting on the floor in the extreme southeast corner of the SN. Somewhere to the west of the SN was a Dr. Pepper bottle "sitting over there by itself." Montgomery did not recall any chicken remains or paper bags being found over by the Dr. Pepper bottle.
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#f7CH46
According to DPD Sergeant Gerald Lynn Hill, a "chicken leg bone and a paper sack" was resting atop one of the boxes that comprised the SN. Hill described the sack as 12" wide, 10" long, and 4" thick (30x25x10 cm).
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#g7CH102-103
According to DPD Detective Marvin Johnson, a brown paper lunch bag, chicken remains, and a pop bottle was found near the second south-facing window. However, Johnson conceded that he "didn't count" the number of windows. Johnson also recalled that "remnants of fried chicken" were found by "some other window" but neglected to mention which one.
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#h6CH267-268
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig saw a "small paper bag" that was "laying on top of a box" near the SN that looked like a lunch bag.
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#i7CH121-122
According to DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd, there were "some paper sacks" and "some chicken bones" resting atop "some boxes" in front of the "third or fourth" south-facing window.
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#j7CH146-147
According to DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker, an empty bottle of Dr. Pepper and a paper sack were found by the third south-facing window (see reference #148k below for a photograph). The sack contained chicken bones and a package of Fritos chips. When he testified before the WC, Studebaker was told about the partially eaten piece of chicken resting atop a box near the SN seen by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney and others. Studebaker was unaware of any chicken remains being found anywhere on the sixth floor apart from the lunch bag found underneath the third south-facing window. Studebaker also mentioned (see 1245CD84) that "one of the officers searching the place later emptied the sack, leaving the chicken bones on the floor" near where the sack was found.
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November 22, 1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
This photograph was designated "Studebaker Exhibit H" in the WC volumes and can be found at 21CH648. I've referenced a higher-quality copy here for the sake of clarity. The photograph was taken by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker "before anything was touched", facing the third window from the east. An empty Dr. Pepper bottle is visible in the foreground, and a paper sack is wedged between the south wall and the front wheels of a cart. The copy in the WC volumes was marked with an arrow (by Studebaker) to identify the location of the brown paper sack containing chicken bones.
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#l3CH168-171
When he testified before the WC (see also 1245CD82), Bonnie Ray Williams stated that, on November 22, 1963, his lunch consisted of a chicken sandwich, a package of Fritos chips, and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. Williams described the sandwich as "chicken on the bone" and carried his lunch in a small brown paper bag. Williams went up to the sixth floor and ate his lunch while sitting on a two-wheeled cart in front of the "third or fourth" (the cart was parked by the third) south-facing window. When Williams left the sixth floor a few minutes before the shooting (see reference #53), he put the chicken bones in the paper sack and "dropped it" near the cart. Williams was unsure but recalled placing the empty Dr. Pepper bottle on either the floor or atop one of the boxes nearby.
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#m1245CD83
DPD Detective John Carl Day reportedly told the FBI that some "chicken bones, lunch sack, and soft drink bottle" had been discovered by the third south-facing window. Day later examined these items and checked the bottle against the prints of LHO but found no match. Upon learning the items had been "placed there by another employee", Day discarded the items "several weeks" after the assassination. Some of this was also covered by Day (see 4CH277) during his WC testimony.
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#n6CH307
DPD Patrolman Elwyn Dee Brewer recalled seeing a "paper lunch sack and some chicken bones" and a "soda pop bottle" near the SN.
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#o4CH239
DPD Captain John William Fritz did not see "any signs of a lunch" near the SN. Instead, Fritz blamed "that story about the chicken" upon unfounded rumors circulated by the press. Fritz stated that unknown employees had "in days past" eaten lunch by another unspecified window and left "chicken bones and pieces of bread, all kinds of things up and down there."
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#p6CH330-331
When he testified before the WC (see also 5CD371 and 1245CD81), William Hoyt Shelley stated he went up to the sixth floor sometime after the shooting and saw some chicken bones "laying on a sack" and a "bottle sitting in the window." This was the third south-facing window. Shelley did not see any chicken remains anywhere else on the sixth floor. Furthermore, Shelley claimed to have seen Charles Douglas Givens eating fried chicken on the sixth floor between 09:30 and 10:00 AM on November 22, 1963, near the southwest corner of the building. According to Shelley, the food eaten by Givens was fried chicken because "those colored boys are always eating chicken", although Givens had apparently told Shelley he only ate a sandwich. Givens denied these assertions in reference #148q below.
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#q6CH352
When he testified before the WC, Charles Douglas Givens denied eating anything, including chicken, on the sixth floor of the TSBD before the assassination. Givens also denied leaving a pop bottle on the sixth floor.
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November 22, 1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
In this photograph, taken from the southwest corner, a Dr. Pepper bottle is visible in the foreground. This is where the floor-laying crew (see reference #41) worked on the morning of November 22, 1963. This could mean that one or some of them were eating on the sixth floor prior to the assassination, much like William Hoyt Shelley claimed in reference #148p and Charles Douglas Givens denied in reference #148q above.
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December 19, 1963Columbia University Bureau of Applied Social Research RecordsJohn F. Kennedy Presidential Library and MuseumP. 4
WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea was present on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the initial search. In late 1963, Alyea was interviewed as part of an Oral History program at Columbia University. Alyea told the interviewer, "There was a stack with a stack [sack?] of chicken bones on it. There was a Dr. Pepper bottle which they dusted for fingerprints." Alyea neglected to explain exactly where he saw these items, but their discovery was preceded by a "systematic search" of the building, which "boiled down to the sixth floor." Alyea also brought up the chicken bones and pop bottle while discussing the sixth floor, the SN, and the discovery of the rifle.
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November 20, 1993C-SPAN01:16:00-01:20:10
WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea was present on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the initial search. In 1993, Alyea spoke briefly at a conference in Dallas alongside many other journalists who covered the JFK assassination. Alyea insisted that "three-day-old dried chicken bones" had been found on the fifth floor before the SN was discovered on the sixth floor. Everyone else who saw chicken bones inside the TSBD (including authorities and TSBD employees) observed them on the sixth floor. Back in 1963 (see reference #148s above), Alyea offered no indication that these items were found on the fifth floor.
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1994Connie KritzbergStratford Press; JFK Online; David A. ReitzesP. 39-46
WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea was present on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the initial search. Decades later, Alyea was interviewed by Dallas Times Herald reporter Constance Elizabeth Kritzberg in this 1994 book of hers. Alyea told Kritzberg that there were "no chicken bones found on the 6th floor." Instead, a Dr. Pepper bottle had supposedly been "brought up" from the fifth floor, echoing remarks Alyea had previously made in reference #148t above. This book does not appear to be available online, so I've referenced an excerpt here. This page also includes two addenda. The first addendum seems to be an email or letter from Alyea responding to an unknown "correspondent". I contacted David Reitzes (the website's operator) to find out more, but he could offer no additional insight. However, the views expressed are consistent with the known views of Alyea (see reference #222), so I have no reason to doubt its veracity. It was written in 2001 based on archived versions of the page. The second addendum is an excerpt from reference #148s above.
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#1493CH288
Quote by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney.
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#1507CH147
Quote by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker.
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#151The Three Cartridge Cases
It's possible the three cartridge cases found in the SN were moved prior to being photographed. At approximately 01:00 PM (see reference #146), DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney discovered the SN with three cartridge cases resting on the floor inside. DPD Captain John William Fritz was alerted and arrived within a few minutes. Fritz then instructed officers at the scene "not to move the cartridges" and to "preserve that evidence" for the crime lab technicians. However, Mooney recalled that Fritz was "the first officer that picked them up" and observed Fritz "go over and pick them up and look at them." DCSO Deputy Sheriff Jack Wilson Faulkner also recalled that Fritz "arrived on the scene and the shells were given to him." But Faulkner did not clarify whether this occurred before or after photographs were taken. Decades later, in 1997, Mooney stated that Fritz was "the first man to reach down and pick up one of the shell casings to see what caliber it was." When he testified before the WC, Mooney was shown a photograph (see reference #151i below; CE510) of the SN with the three cartridge cases labeled A, B, and C from east to west. Mooney told the WC that casings B and C appeared "further apart" than when he first discovered the SN. Mooney was then shown a less-cropped copy of the same photograph (CE512) in which the three cartridge cases are positioned exactly the same. This time, when Mooney was asked, "Is that about the way it looked?" he responded, "Yes, sir; that is right. It sure is." The photograph was one of at least four taken by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day and DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker at approximately 01:15 PM. Day recalled that, upon his arrival at the SN, he was advised by DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims that "nothing had been moved" and Studebaker told the WC he took two photographs "right before anything was moved." With the assistance of Sims, Day then dusted the casings for fingerprints before placing them in an envelope. Sims told the WC that, when the scene was photographed by Day and Studebaker, the three cartridge cases were in the same position as when he first laid eyes on them. Sims arrived at the SN at the same time as Fritz.
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DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney WC testimony.
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#b7CH139-140
DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker WC testimony.
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#c19CH511
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Jack Wilson Faulkner DCSO report.
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DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims WC testimony.
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#e4CH205
DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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#f4CH250-251
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day WC testimony.
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#g7CH402
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day WC affidavit.
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#h1497CD3-6
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day DPD report.
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Photographs of the SN, taken by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day and DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker shortly after its discovery.
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November 22, 1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
This photograph was taken by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker shortly after he arrived at the crime scene in the company of DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day. Two cartridge cases lay in the crevice where the floorboards meet the wall underneath the window. The tip of the third case can be seen at the very bottom of the photograph, inside the corner of a shadow cast by one of the boxes. The cartridge cases were likely found around 01:00 PM (see reference #146), and Day told the WC that he and Studebaker arrived at the TSBD at approximately 01:12 PM. While Studebaker told the WC that those searching the building "hadn't found anything when we got there", he also recalled (corroborated by Day) that they were immediately directed to the sixth floor upon their arrival. This would only have occurred had the SN already been found. A red firetruck and a white Civil Defense Rescue Service panel truck are parked along the east side of Houston Street (seen through the window). The presence of these vehicles confirms the photograph was taken on November 22, 1963, as opposed to the day after or some other date, as some authors have alleged. At 12:54 PM, dispatch reported over police radio (see reference #82; Channel #2) that they were "going to send the fire department rescue equipment with rope to that location." The angle of the shadows is also consistent with an image taken after 01:12 PM, although it's difficult to pinpoint the exact time. The camera used by Day and Studebaker was equipped with a flash attachment that obliterated most of the natural shadows in the scene. However, one can still see a faint shadow cast diagonally across the third brick east of the vertical mullion in the center of the window frame. Shadows can also be seen cast on the ground by objects and people on the street below. Notice, for instance, the triangular signpost standing in front of the Dallas County Records Building. It's near the hood of the black car and next to the vertical muntin in the west window sash. Its shadow does not yet reach the west wall of the Records Building. Compare that with reference #151k below, which was taken around 03:00 PM. In that photograph, the shadow cast by the triangular signpost has already reached the second column of windows on the west wall of the Records Building.
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November 22, 1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
I'm only referencing this photograph for comparison with reference #151j above. According to DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day (see 4CH264), he took a similar photograph (see 17CH504; CE722) at a slightly different angle at approximately 03:00 or 03:15 PM on November 22, 1963. Their visual similarity suggests both were taken by Day (or possibly DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker) around the same time. The angle of the shadows (especially the one cast by the tall lamppost on the west side of Houston Street) is consistent with a time of approximately 03:00 PM.
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1998Larry A. SneedUniversity of North Texas PressP. 226-227
When interviewed by author Larry Sneed for this 1997 book of his, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney stated that DPD Captain John William Fritz arrived at the SN "a few moments" after its discovery. Fritz then took "the same route through the stacks of boxes" that Mooney did and became "the first man to reach down and pick up one of the shell casings to see what caliber it was." Mooney stated that "nothing had been disturbed until that time" but that he didn't remain to see "what happened to the casings." Shortly thereafter, the rifle was found. Mooney did not explicitly state but implied that Fritz picked up the casings before crime lab technicians DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day and DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker arrived to photograph the crime scene.
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June 24, 2009The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza14:50-15:30
In 2009, the Sixth Floor Museum interviewed DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney. Mooney repeated much of what he told author Larry Sneed in reference #151l above. Regarding the three cartridge cases, Mooney reiterated that DPD Captain John William Fritz "was the first officer" to pick up and inspect one of the casings. Mooney explained that Fritz "reached down and picked up one of 'em, discovered the caliber, and laid it back down in the exact spot." Mooney passed away a little over a year after this interview was recorded.
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1971Roger CraigDavid Ratcliffe
This unpublished manuscript was written by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig in 1971. At the beginning of Chapter II, Craig took equal credit for discovering the SN alongside fellow officer DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney. Craig wrote that they "reached the southeast corner at the same time." According to Craig, the three cartridge cases on the floor inside the SN were "no more than one inch apart and all were facing in the same direction". Craig had previously made these claims in 1968 (see reference #160n) and continued to do so in 1976 (see reference #160o), which included a sketch of three cartridge cases resting side-by-side on the floor inside the SN. But back in 1964, when Craig testified before the WC, his recollection of events was drastically different. When asked, "Did you see the empty cartridges when they were found?" Craig responded, "I didn't see them when they were found. I saw them laying on the floor." Craig was then asked, "About how soon after they were found did you see them laying on the floor?" Craig responded, "Oh, a couple of minutes. I went right on over there. I was at the far north end of the building." Craig was also asked if he could recall the positions of the three cartridge cases. Craig responded, "No; I don't; I didn't look that close."
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1994Connie KritzbergStratford Press; JFK Online; David A. ReitzesP. 39-46
WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea was present on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the initial search. Decades later, Alyea was interviewed by Dallas Times Herald reporter Constance Elizabeth Kritzberg for this 1994 book of hers. Alyea told Kritzberg the three cartridge cases inside the SN were "scattered in an area that could be covered by a bushel basket." Alyea also recalled that DPD Captain John William Fritz then "entered the enclosure" and that this was "the first time anybody walked between the barricade and the windows." Fritz then "walked to the casings, picked them up and held them in his hand over the top of the boxes for me to get a close-up shot of the evidence." While this portion of Alyea's film has never surfaced, much of his film was carelessly misplaced or discarded. Author Richard Trask (see page 538 of reference #103g) wrote that Alyea's film was "not looked upon as historical documentation" but rather as "part of the news package and would be edited, cut up, and shown with only the concern of telling a breaking news story." Addressing the general mishandling of assassination films, Trask wrote more succinctly, "The historical or investigative value of the films, if even considered, took a subservient role to its immediate story-telling value." In an interview with Trask, Alyea told him that the WFAA-TV news director "had a bunch of it burned" (referring to portions of his film) because he believed it worthless unless they could "use it on the news". Trask identified 54 separate clips with a total runtime of 5 minutes and 26.5 seconds that survived the mishandling of Alyea's film. While no clips show an officer holding the cartridge cases "over the top of the boxes" as Alyea claimed, one clip (seen at 00:59:29 in the video) shows two officers crouching in the SN. One of them appears to pick up something from the floor with his left hand (visible at the extreme bottom of the frame), which the second officer appears to inspect. The clip is of poor quality. It's difficult to see whether anything was picked up at all, let alone a spent cartridge. The officers sit with their backs toward the camera and can not be positively identified. However, considering the white Civil Defense Rescue Service panel truck (see reference #151j above) has not yet parked along Houston Street, this sequence must've been filmed before the crime scene was photographed by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day and DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker. Because of Fritz's alleged tampering, Alyea believed these photographs were "staged". Alyea wrote that "the police photo showing the shell casings laying next to the brick wall was staged later by crime lab people who did not see the original positioning because they were not called upon the scene until after the rifle was found nearly an hour later." In an addendum, Alyea corrected Kritzberg by writing that Fritz handed the casings to Studebaker "over thirty minutes later, after the rifle was discovered and the crime lab arrived" who then "tossed them on the floor and photographed them." Considering DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney discovered the SN at approximately 01:00 PM (see reference #146), Day and Studebaker arrived at the TSBD at approximately 01:12 PM, and the rifle was discovered at 01:22 PM (see reference #159), time estimates like "nearly an hour", "over thirty minutes", and "after the rifle was discovered" are difficult to reconcile. Furthermore, when Alyea was interviewed (see reference #148s) less than four weeks after the assassination, he mentioned none of the alleged staging and tampering he recalled decades later.
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#1523CH286
Quote by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney.
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#1534CH205
Quote by DPD Captain John William Fritz.
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1994Connie KritzbergStratford Press; JFK Online; David A. ReitzesP. 39-46
Quote by Thomas Paul Alyea.
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2001JFK Online; David A. Reitzes
Quote by Thomas Paul Alyea.
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#1567CH161
Quote by DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims.
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#1573CH287
Quote by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney.
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#1587CH141
Quote by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker.
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#159Discovery of the Rifle
The rifle was discovered near the staircase on the sixth floor of the TSBD by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Eugene Lawrence Boone and DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman at 01:22 PM. Boone recalled looking at his wristwatch to note the precise time.
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#a3CH293-295
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Eugene Lawrence Boone WC testimony.
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#b7CH107
DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman WC testimony.
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Photographs of the rifle and its location on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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Photographs of the rifle taken sometime after it's removal from the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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#160The Mauser
The rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD was discovered (see reference #159) by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Eugene Lawrence Boone and DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman at 01:22 PM. Weitzman viewed the rifle "at a glance" and thought it looked like a "7.65 caliber Mauser bolt-action rifle". Boone thought the rifle "appeared to be a 7.65mm Mauser". Neither Boone nor Weitzman handled the rifle. Boone also recalled that DPD Captain John William Fritz described it as a Mauser, but Fritz denied this when he testified before the WC. Upon closer inspection, the rifle was identified as a 6.5-millimeter Italian Carcano M91/38, colloquially known as a Mannlicher-Carcano. The Carcano M91/38 resembles certain Mauser rifles and could easily be mistaken for one. While the text "Made in Italy" was printed on the rifle, it was partially obscured by the scope. Conversely, Weitzman correctly identified the scope as a "four-powered 18 scope of apparent Japanese manufacture." The scope did indeed have the text "4 x 18 Coated" and "010 Japan" prominently engraved on its side. WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea was filming on the sixth floor of the TSBD when the rifle was discovered. In 1979, the HSCA concluded that the rifle seen in the Alyea film (and numerous photographs) was consistent with the Carcano M91/38 owned by LHO. Both Boone and Weitzman acknowledged they had misidentified the rifle.
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#a87CD293
DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman DCSO affidavit.
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#b5CD124-125
DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman FBI interview.
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DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman FBI interview.
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#d7CH108-109
DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman WC testimony.
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June 25, 1967CBSC-SPAN22:58-24:15
DCCO Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman was interviewed by CBS News in 1967. Weitzman largely repeated what he told the WC three years prior. He explained that he'd made "an honest mistake" by misidentifying the Italian Carcano as a German Mauser upon seeing the "Mauser action" of the rifle "at a glance".
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#f19CH507
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Eugene Lawrence Boone DCSO report.
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#g3CH294-295
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Eugene Lawrence Boone WC testimony.
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#h4CH205-206
DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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#i4CH263
DPD Detective John Carl Day WC testimony.
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When he testified before the WC, FBI Special Agent and firearms expert Robert Arthur Frazier described the various inscriptions on the rifle. Frazier was also asked, "Can you explain why someone might call [an Italian Carcano] a German-made Mauser rifle or a Mauser bolt-action rifle?" Frazier responded, "The Mauser was one of the earliest, if not the earliest, and the basic bolt-action rifle, from which many others were copied. And since this uses the same type of bolt system, it may have been referred to as a Mauser for that reason."
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#k1066CD64
A film captured by WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the search for the rifle was reviewed by the FBI in 1964. The FBI determined that the rifle visible in the film was a "6.5 M/M Mannlicher Carcano rifle."
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#l7HSCA372
A panel of firearms experts assembled by the HSCA concluded in 1979 that "a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle could very easily be mistaken for other military rifles of its general type, including the 7.65 millimeter caliber German and other model Mausers." They further explained that "the caliber of a rifle cannot be determined merely by looking at it." See Figure 25 within this document for an example photograph of a 7.65 Argentine Mauser resembling a 6.5 Italian Carcano.
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#m6HSCA63-107
The HSCA analyzed and compared numerous films and photographs of the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD to determine whether all of them depicted the same rifle. The report gets quite technical but see pages 66 and 89 for the summarized conclusions. The HSCA concluded that "the dimensions of the rifle(s) depicted [in the films and photographs] are entirely consistent." Most notably, the HSCA examined a film captured by WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the search for the rifle. According to the HSCA, the rifle's appearance in the film was consistent with the Carcano M91/38 that belonged to LHO. Lossy fragments of this film can be found on YouTube and elsewhere (e.g. reference #160s below), but no complete high-resolution copies are available online. See reference #151o (and 1066CD60) for more about Alyea and his film.
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March 1, 1968Jeanne MorganLos Angeles Free PressVol. 5No. 9P. 25
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was interviewed by the underground newspaper Los Angeles Free Press in early 1968. Craig stated he was present on the sixth floor of the TSBD when the rifle was discovered. Craig also claimed to have handled the rifle but that he "couldn't give its name because I don't know foreign rifles." Craig went on to say that "there was another rifle, a Mauser, found up on the roof of the Depository that afternoon." In later interviews, Craig stated that the alleged Mauser was the rifle found on the sixth floor, not a rifle found on the roof. Craig's belief that a rifle had been found on the roof of the TSBD seems to have originated with conspiracy theorist William Penn Jones who was interviewed in tandem with Craig. Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Everett Waldo had supposedly told Jones that DPD Captain Glen Doyle King "verified the existence" of a rifle on the roof. Jones also claimed that "the rifle was dropped by a security officer" and that none of this was documented but verbally communicated from one person to the next. In other words, a game of telephone that (at minimum) went from the unknown officer to King to Waldo to Jones to Craig.
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1976Lincoln Carle & Mark Lane11:10-13:55
In 1976, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was the focus of a documentary called Two Men in Dallas. Craig told the interviewer he was on the sixth floor when the rifle was discovered. According to Craig, he examined the rifle and "stamped right on the barrel of the rifle was 7.65 Mauser." This was the first time Craig (or anyone else) reported such a vital detail. He never once mentioned that the text "7.65 Mauser" was inscribed onto the rifle barrel before 1976. In fact, I'm not aware of any instance where Craig mentioned the make and model of the rifle back in 1963-1964 despite multiple opportunities to do so. In reference #160n above, Craig explicitly stated he could not recall the make and model of the rifle. Instead, Craig said a Mauser was found on the roof of the TSBD sometime in the afternoon of November 22, 1963. In his unpublished 1971 manuscript (see reference #72e), Craig wrote that "Weitzman declared that it was a 7.65 German Mauser." DPD Captain John William Fritz told the WC (see 4CH206) that he could "read on the rifle" what caliber it was and that it was the same caliber (6.5-millimeters) as the three cartridge cases found in the SN. See reference #226 for more about Craig.
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1986Ian Hamilton, Vincent Bugliosi, & Gerry Spence
In 1986, a televised mock trial of LHO was litigated by prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi and defense attorney Garry Spence. Among the witnesses called to testify was DCSO Deputy Sheriff Eugene Lawrence Boone. Boone acknowledged that he initially misidentified the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser because the term Mauser was a "generic term for a bolt-action rifle." (said by Bugliosi, affirmed by Boone) Boone also stated that, when the FBI later showed him the rifle recovered from the sixth floor of the TSBD, he identified it as a "Mannlicher" and that it "appeared to be the same rifle" but that he could not be certain because he "did not have an identifying mark on the weapon." In other words, it was the same make and model (an Italian Carcano M91/38), but it looked no different from any other rifle of that same make and model. Boone also conceded that he was no expert on firearms.
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1998Larry A. SneedUniversity of North Texas PressP. 217
Decades after the assassination, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Jack Wilson Faulkner recalled that "the rifle was being referred to as a Mauser" shortly after its discovery on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Faulkner had no doubts that the rifle found was a "Mannlicher-Carcano". Faulkner believed that "possibly somebody saw it and said it looked like a Mauser, which it does."
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July 1997Chris MillsDealey Plaza EchoVol. 1No. 3P. 30-34
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2014David Von PeinDVP's JFK Archives
A long thread regarding the Carcano/Mauser debate, along with a few select frames and clips of the rifle as seen in the Thomas Paul Alyea film.
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March 1, 1968Jeanne MorganLos Angeles Free PressVol. 5No. 9P. 25
Quote by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig.
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#162Markings on the Cartridge Cases
Firearms leave behind unique microscopic indentations on the rounds they fire. The three cartridge cases found in the SN were independently examined by firearms identification experts FBI Special Agent Robert Arthur Frazier and Superintendent of the Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation of the Illinois Department of Public Safety Joseph Duane Nicol. The rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was test fired twice, and the two spent cartridge cases were then microscopically compared against the three cartridge cases found in the SN. Frazier concluded that "all three of the cartridge cases had been fired in this particular weapon." Nicol concluded that "all three [cartridge cases] were fired in the same weapon as fired [the two test cartridge cases]."
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#a3CH414-416
FBI Special Agent Robert Arthur Frazier WC testimony.
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#b3CH505
Joseph Duane Nicol WC testimony.
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Photographs of the three cartridge cases found in the SN.
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Photograph of two cartridge cases that were test fired and ejected from the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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Microscopic side-by-side comparisons of reference #162c and reference #162d above
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#163Transaction History of the Rifle
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#a7CH365-366
William John Waldman was the Vice President of Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, Illinois, which sold the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD via mail order to one A. Hidell on March 20, 1963.
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Envelope and coupon received by Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, Illinois. The envelope was postmarked on March 12, 1963, and was sent by A. Hidell, Post Office Box 2915, Dallas, Texas. The coupon is for an Italian 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano rifle identified by catalog number C20-T750. According to FBI Special Agent and questioned documents expert James Carroll Cadigan (see 7CH420), the writing on this coupon matched the handwriting of LHO.
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Order fulfillment form by Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, Illinois, for an Italian 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano rifle with serial number C2766. The rifle was purchased via money order for $21.45 and sent to A. Hidell, Post Office Box 2915, Dallas, Texas, on March 20, 1963.
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February 1963American RiflemanVol. 111No. 2P. 65
The coupon from reference #163b above was clipped from this advert by Klein's Sporting Goods, which appeared in multiple issues of the American Rifleman magazine published by the National Rifle Association. The issue referenced here is from February 1963. LHO ordered his rifle in March 1963. The rifle was listed as a "6.5 Italian Carbine". While the listed length and weight of the rifle were 36" (91.4 cm) and 5.5 lbs (2.5 kg), the rifle received by LHO measured 40.2" (102.1 cm) in length and weighed nearly 8 lbs (3.6 kg) according to reference #176e. Furthermore, there are subtle differences between the rifle received by LHO and the image seen in the advert. According to reference #163e below, this was due to Klein's failure to update the details of the ad upon exhausting their supply of that particular model. Instead, they began selling a very similar model without informing their customers. In the October 1960 issue, Klein's advertised a very similar (possibly the same) 6.5 caliber rifle as a "Sporterized Italian Suprema Carbine". It had a listed length and weight of 41.5" (105.4 cm) and 7.5 lbs (3.4 kg). In the April 1963 issue, the advert seen in the February 1963 issue was updated. The listed length and weight was now 40" (101.6 cm) and 7 lbs (3.2 kg).
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Jerry OrganJFK Words
A well-sourced article that breaks down the subtle differences between the rifle received by LHO and the rifles advertised by Klein's Sporting Goods.
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#164Alek James Hidell Pseudonym
There are many examples of LHO using the pseudonym Alek James Hidell or some variation thereof. Alek was a nickname given to LHO after he defected to the Soviet Union in 1959. Hidell rhymed with Fidel, i.e. Fidel Castro, the leader of Cuba.
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#a1CH64-65, 91
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald told the WC that the surname Hidell was "merely an altered Fidel" and that she'd learned that LHO was using it as a pseudonym while they were living in New Orleans, Louisiana. Marina also told the WC that LHO went by the nickname Alek (or Alec) when they lived in the Soviet Union.
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#b5CH401-402
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald told the WC that she once signed a card with the name A. J. Hidell at the behest of LHO. Marina explained that LHO "would beat me if I didn't sign that name on the card" and that she knew it was fictitious.
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A list of all the articles contained in the wallet of LHO upon his arrest on November 22, 1963. Some of them were in the name of Alek James Hidell.
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This forged Selective Service System (military conscription) card was found in LHO's wallet upon his arrest on November 22, 1963. The card is in the name of Alek James Hidell and features a photograph of LHO.
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This forged US Marine Corps Certificate of Service card was found in LHO's wallet upon his arrest on November 22, 1963. The card is in the name of Alek James Hidell.
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In August 1963, LHO was seen leafletting in defense of Cuba on the streets of New Orleans, Louisiana. The names L. H. Oswald and A. J. Hidell were printed on the leaflets.
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This forged smallpox vaccination certificate was found in LHO's rooming house at 1026 North Beckley Avenue, Dallas, Texas, following his arrest on November 22, 1963. The certificate was signed by Dr. A. J. Hideel.
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#h4CH222
According to DPD Captain John William Fritz, LHO initially confessed to being Alek James Hidell, although he later denied it repeatedly.
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#165Prints on the Rifle
A palmprint was lifted from the underside of the barrel of the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day. The palmprint was further examined by FBI Special Agents Sebastian Francis Latona, Ronald Gordan Wittmus, and New York Police Department Detective Arthur Angelo Mandella. All four independently concluded that the palmprint lifted from the rifle was identical to the right palmprint of LHO. Day also found "traces of prints on the side of the magazine housing" of the rifle. Day told the WC in 1964 that he "could not make positive identification of these prints" but they "appeared to be the right middle and right ring finger" of LHO. In 1992, author Gary Savage commissioned West Monroe Police Department Captain and fingerprint expert Jerry Lynn Powdrill to examine five newly discovered first-generation photographs of the latent fingerprints on the trigger guard. Much like Day, Powdrill could not make a positive identification but thought there were "enough similarities to suggest that it is possible" the prints belonged to LHO. In 1993, the PBS documentary series Frontline commissioned former New York Police Department Detective and fingerprint expert Vincent Joseph Scalice to examine these same photographs. Powdrill had focused all his attention on the clearest of the five photographs. Scalice used four of the photographs to examine different parts of the faint prints before concluding that "these are definitely the prints of Lee Harvey Oswald". Much like Day, Scalice concluded that the fingerprints matched LHO's "right middle finger and right ring finger".
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#a4CH260-263
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day WC testimony.
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#b4CH23-24
FBI Special Agent Sebastian Francis Latona WC testimony.
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#c4CH50
New York Police Department Detective Arthur Angelo Mandella WC testimony.
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#d7CH590
FBI Special Agent Ronald Gordan Wittmus WC affidavit.
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Right palmprint of LHO.
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Latent palmprint lifted from the underside of the barrel of the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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Side-by-side comparison of reference #165e and reference #165f above.
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This CE confirms that reference #165f above was lifted from the barrel's underside. This means that, if the print was forged (as many conspiracy theorists believe), it must have been placed on the rifle before being lifted again.
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1993Gary SavageThe Shoppe Press; JFK Online; David A. ReitzesP. 101-120
This is an excerpt from the 1993 book JFK: First Day Evidence by author Gary Savage. Specifically, Chapter IV, titled The Prints. Savage's uncle was DPD Detective Richard Ward Livingston, who worked with DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day. After Day photographed the faint prints on the rifle's trigger guard on November 22, 1963, Livingston retained five first-generation copies of these photographs. Nearly three decades later, Savage found them inside a briefcase that belonged to Livingston. In 1992, Savage commissioned West Monroe Police Department Captain and fingerprint expert Jerry Lynn Powdrill to examine the photographs and compare them to LHO's prints. While the photographs were clearer than previous copies, the prints were still faint. Powdrill focused his attention on the clearest print in the clearest of the five photographs and wrote that "sufficient evidence does not exist to conclude that the latent print (in the photograph) is in fact that of Lee Harvey Oswald; however, there are enough similarities to suggest that it is possible they are one in [sic] the same." Savage also participated in reference #165j below and (in an addendum) summarized the results of another examination conducted by former New York Police Department Detective and fingerprint expert Vincent Joseph Scalice.
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1993PBS FrontlineS11E2002:42:00
In this episode of the long-running PBS documentary series Frontline, former New York Police Department Detective and fingerprint expert Vincent Joseph Scalice examined the latent fingerprints found on the rifle's trigger guard. Furthermore, Scalice examined all the fingerprint evidence for the HSCA in 1978. Scalice explained that he "was able to pick up some details on one photograph and some details on another photograph" before concluding that "these are definitely the prints of Lee Harvey Oswald".
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1998Gus RussoBancroft PressP. 462
Author Gus Russo spoke with former New York Police Department Detective and fingerprint expert Vincent Joseph Scalice in 1998 regarding his examination of the prints on the rifle's trigger guard. Since his appearance on a 1993 PBS Frontline documentary (see reference #165j above), Scalice had grown even more convinced that the prints were those of LHO. Scalice told Russo, "I definitely conclude these are Oswald's prints. There is no doubt about it."
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#166Prints on the Boxes
Fingerprints and palmprints were lifted from boxes in the SN. The prints were examined by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day, FBI Special Agents Sebastian Francis Latona, Ronald Gordan Wittmus, and New York Police Department Detective Arthur Angelo Mandella. All four agreed that one palmprint belonged to LHO's right palm, one palmprint belonged to LHO's left palm, and one fingerprint belonged to LHO's right index finger. The remaining prints belonged to DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker and FBI Clerk Forest Lynn Lucy. One palmprint could not be identified. While LHO's prints could have ended up on the boxes during normal working hours before the assassination, he was still the only TSBD employee whose prints were found on the boxes. Presumably, because LHO was the last employee to handle the boxes and prints quickly get absorbed (see reference #183d) by paper and cardboard.
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#a4CH30-44
FBI Special Agent Sebastian Francis Latona WC testimony.
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#b4CH269-272
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day WC testimony.
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#c4CH51-55
New York Police Department Detective Arthur Angelo Mandella WC testimony.
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#d7CH590
FBI Special Agent Ronald Gordan Wittmus WC affidavit.
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FBI reports concerning the fingerprints and palmprints found on the boxes in the SN.
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Photographs showing the approximate locations of two palmprints and one fingerprint, matching LHO, lifted from two boxes in the SN.
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Various photographs and side-by-side comparisons of the prints lifted from the boxes in the SN.
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#1677CH103
Quote by DPD Detective Marvin Johnson.
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#168Discovery of the Brown Paper Bag
Among the officers who first examined the SN, some of them failed to notice the brown paper bag in the southeast corner. For instance, the officer who discovered the SN, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney, told the WC that he "didn't see anything over in the corner." According to many conspiracy theorists, that's because the bag wasn't there. Instead, the bag was allegedly fabricated and planted to frame LHO. But it's worth emphasizing that we're talking about a brown paper bag resting on a brown wooden floor in a dark-lit corner of the room, surrounded by stacks of brown boxes and books wrapped in identical brown wrapping paper. It was not exactly the most eye-catching piece of evidence. Mooney even said that "the minute I saw the expended shells on the floor" he hollered for his superiors and stood guard by the SN. In other words, Mooney was not on the lookout for a bag. He was looking for spent cartridge cases and stopped searching the minute he found them. Even among the officers who did see the bag, their recollections were not always clear. For instance, DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims told the WC he "didn't pay too much attention" but had seen a "brown wrapping" in the SN. Others had no issue recalling the bag. For instance, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford was on the sixth floor when Mooney discovered the SN. Weatherford immediately walked over to the southeast corner and saw "a sack on the floor".
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#a3CH286, 288
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney told the WC he "didn't see anything over in the corner."
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#b7CH289
When asked if he'd seen the brown paper bag, DPD Detective John Berry Hicks responded, "No, sir; I don't believe I did. I don't recall it."
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#c7CH122
When asked if he'd seen the brown paper bag, DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd responded, "I don't believe I did."
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#d7CH46, 65
DPD Sergeant Gerald Lynn Hill told the WC that "the only sack that I saw" was a lunch bag near the SN containing chicken bones (see reference #148).
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#e6CH268
When asked if he'd seen the brown paper bag, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig responded, "No; I don't remember seeing any." When asked if he'd seen anything other than the three cartridge cases in the SN, Craig responded, "No; not anything that caught my eye."
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#f19CH502
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Harry Huey Weatherford recalled seeing "a sack on the floor".
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#g7CH162
DPD Detective Richard Milton Sims recalled seeing "a brown wrapping" in the SN.
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#h7CH103
DPD Detective Marvin Johnson recalled that they "found this brown paper sack or case" in the southeast corner on the sixth floor.
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#i7CH98
DPD Detective Leslie Dell Montgomery recalled that the southeast corner on the sixth floor was "where we found that long piece of paper that looked like a sack, that the rifle had been in."
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#j7CH143-144
DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker recalled seeing a "piece of paper" that was "folded" and "doubled over" in the southeast corner. Studebaker also confessed (see reference #169) that he was the person who picked up the bag from the floor before any photographs had been taken.
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#k4CH266-267
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day recalled that a "homemade sack, brown paper with 3-inch tape [was] found right in the corner, the southeast corner of the building, near where the [hulls] were found."
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#l6CH300
DPD Patrolman Clyde Arthur Haygood recalled seeing a "plain brown paper bag with tape in the corner."
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#m6CH307
DPD Patrolman Elwyn Dee Brewer recalled seeing a "relatively long paper sack" in the southeast corner.
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#169Removal of the Brown Paper Bag
It's not entirely clear who picked up the brown paper bag found in the southeast corner of the SN, but DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker is (in my opinion) the strongest candidate. Studebaker told the WC he picked up the bag to dust it for prints before photographing the southeast corner. However, DPD Detective Marvin Johnson told the WC he'd seen his partner, Leslie Dell Montgomery, pick up the bag. When Montgomery testified before the WC, he denied picking up the bag and was of the impression that Studebaker had done so. Montgomery explained that he and Johnson had "left [the bag] laying right there [in the corner] so they could check it for prints." Montgomery was later seen carrying the bag out of the TSBD (see reference #170h), which may be why Johnson believed Montgomery picked the bag up from the floor. But Studebaker's first-hand confession and Montgomery's first-hand denial take precedence over Johnson's second-hand observation. Unfortunately, Studebaker never explained his decision to remove the bag before photographing the scene. Studebaker might have reasoned it was a piece of trash irrelevant to the case. After all, the sixth floor was filled with cartons, books, and debris. He might have lifted the bag, hoping to find another cartridge case, only to realize the bag itself was of significance. Studebaker was inexperienced. He'd been working as a forensic assistant under DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day for less than two months by the time of the assassination. Studebaker also shared his duties to photograph the crime scene with Day. Studebaker might have falsely assumed the southeast corner had already been photographed by Day when he decided to remove the bag. Another possibility is that Montgomery made a mistake. Author Gary Savage supposed (see pages 155-156 of reference #165i) that Montgomery observed Day and Studebaker photograph the SN until they were called away to examine the rifle. Even though they only had time to photograph the three cartridge cases, Montgomery assumed they had already covered the entire SN. Unaware the SN had only been partially photographed, Montgomery entered the enclosure and picked up the bag. Studebaker then lied under oath and took the blame to protect Montgomery. But it's all conjecture. We'll never know exactly why nor by whom the bag was prematurely removed.
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#170Photographs of the Brown Paper Bag
The brown paper bag discovered in the southeast corner of the SN was removed before it could be photographed by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day and DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker. The bag was probably removed by Studebaker (see reference #169), and the FBI later asked him to draw an outline of the bag's approximate location on a photograph of the SN. While Studebaker told the WC the bag "doesn't show in any of the pictures" he took that day, this is probably not true. In the background of one photograph, the bag appears to be resting atop some of the boxes that comprise the SN. However, the photograph is not clear enough to be absolutely certain. Journalists took the first unambiguous photographs of the bag as it was carried out from the TSBD by DPD Detective Leslie Dell Montgomery.
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#a7CH143-144
DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker WC testimony.
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Two photographs of the SN with rectangles representing the approximate location of the brown paper bag, drawn by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker.
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Photograph of the brown paper bag taken sometime after its removal from the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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Photograph of the brown paper bag taken sometime after its removal from the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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Photograph of the brown paper bag taken by the FBI sometime after its removal from the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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Photograph of a replica paper bag made by FBI Special Agents Bardwell DeWitt Odum and Gibbon Elliott McNeely on December 1, 1963. This bag was constructed (see reference #181d) from the same materials used to construct the brown paper bag found in the SN. According to FBI Special Agent James Carroll Cadigan (see 4CH93-94), the replica bag was constructed to "show prospective witnesses" because the bag found in the SN had been discolored, darkened, and "stained from latent fingerprint treatment".
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November 22, 1963Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
This photograph was taken by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker (see 4CH265) on November 22, 1963. Resting atop some of the boxes that comprise the SN is what appears to be the brown paper bag. However, the photograph is not clear enough to be absolutely certain. Two metal boxes with fingerprinting equipment can also be seen on the right-hand side of the image. So this photograph was likely taken shortly after the bag had been picked up and dusted for prints. According to various sources, this discovery was first made by a researcher named Patrick Jackson in 2019, but I was unable to verify this myself.
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November 22, 1963William Gaston Allen; Dallas Morning NewsThe Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
Photograph taken by Dallas Morning News photographer William Gaston Allen at approximately 03:00 PM on November 22, 1963, showing DPD Detective Leslie Dell Montgomery carrying the brown paper bag found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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#1717CH144
Quote by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker.
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#1725CH307
Quote by DPD Patrolman Elwyn Dee Brewer.
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#173The Unreliability of Dougherty
When questioned by the USSS, Jack Edwin Dougherty appeared "very confused about times and places." This was reiterated by Roy Sansom Truly, who rather harshly described Dougherty as "mentally retarded". This led the USSS to disregard Dougherty as an unreliable witness. When he testified before the WC, Truly softened his language and described Dougherty as "of average intelligence." When questioned by the FBI, Dougherty was assisted by his father, Redfern Clive Dougherty. The FBI noted that Dougherty had "difficulty in correlating his speech with his thoughts" and Redfern would answer questions in his place. Redfern informed the FBI that Dougherty had been medically discharged from the US Army and indicated that he had "considerable difficulty in coordinating his mental faculties with his speech." When he was called to testify before the WC, Dougherty acknowledged that he had been discharged but denied having "any difficulty in the Army with any medical treatment or anything of that sort". Records show that Dougherty was medically discharged because he suffered from epileptic seizures. Dougherty also denied having difficulties with his speech. Immediately after this, Dougherty was asked when he started working at the TSBD and got the date wrong by 12 years. Similar mistakes and blatant contradictions can be found throughout his WC testimony. For instance, Dougherty was asked whether the shooting occurred before or after he went on lunch break around 12:00 PM. He was given multiple opportunities to set the record straight, yet insisted the shooting had occurred before he ate his lunch. The first shot was fired at 12:30 PM. It's unfortunate because Dougherty was likely on the fifth floor at the time of the shooting, supposedly moving stock near the freight elevators. But his floundering makes it difficult to separate truth from fiction.
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#a87CD781
Jack Edwin Dougherty USSS interview.
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#b19CH620
Jack Edwin Dougherty FBI interview.
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#c19CH622
Jack Edwin Dougherty FBI interview.
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#d6CH373-382
Jack Edwin Dougherty WC testimony.
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#e3CH237-238
Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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1944National Archives and Records Administration; Ancestry; World War II Hospital Admission Card Files
According to this World War II hospital admission card, Jack Edwin Dougherty was medically discharged from the US Army at the age of 21 because he suffered from epilepsy and grand mal seizures. This was apparently a condition that "existed prior to service".
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Quotes by Jack Edwin Dougherty.
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#1756CH376-377
Quote by Jack Edwin Dougherty.
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#176Package vs. Brown Paper Bag
Linnie Mae Randle and Buell Wesley Frazier saw LHO carrying a package to work on the morning of November 22, 1963. Randle recalled that LHO held one end of the package with his right hand, and the other "almost touched the ground". She described the length of the package as "a little bit more" than two feet (61 cm) or 28.5" (72.4 cm). Frazier recalled that LHO held the package with one end cupped in his right hand and the other tucked under his right armpit, parallel with his body. He described the package's length as "around two feet, give [or] take a few inches". Based on Randle's and Frazier's recollections, the FBI estimated that the package was 27" (68.6 cm) in length. The rifle discovered on the sixth floor of the TSBD measured 34.8" (88.4 cm) when disassembled. The brown paper bag found in the SN measured about 38" (96.5 cm). Both Randle and Frazier felt the brown paper bag was longer than the package carried by LHO. However, Randle conceded the package was "folded down so it could have been this long." Furthermore, Frazier repeatedly emphasized he never paid the package much attention and "didn't pay too much attention [to] how [Oswald] carried the package at all." In fact, the inner arm length of LHO was approximately 22" (55.9 cm). This means that, even if the package was 27" (68.6 cm), it would still have been too long for LHO to have carried the package in the way that Frazier described. It is, however, consistent with the less precise description of "around two feet, give [or] take a few inches".
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Buell Wesley Frazier FBI interview.
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Buell Wesley Frazier WC testimony.
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Linnie Mae Randle FBI interview.
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#d2CH248-251
Linnie Mae Randle WC testimony.
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#e775CD2
The length of the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD measured 40.2" (102.1 cm) when assembled. The length of the rifle's longest component (the wooden stock) measured 34.8" (88.4 cm) when disassembled.
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Photographs of the brown paper bag and the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD in its disassembled state, along with yardsticks for scale. The bag measures approximately 38" (96.5 cm) in length.
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Photograph of the brown paper bag lying next to the disassembled rifle and the blanket it was wrapped in when stored in the garage of Ruth Avery Paine.
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Based on this photograph of LHO standing in front of a height chart taken after his arrest in New Orleans, Louisiana, in August 1963, his inner arm length measured (and I'm being charitable here) approximately 22" (55.9 cm).
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A videotaped interview with Buell Wesley Frazier during which he demonstrated his recollection of how LHO carried the package.
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June 25, 1967CBSC-SPAN12:02-12:30
Linnie Mae Randle was interviewed by CBS News in 1967. Randle visually estimated the length of the package with her hands and stated that "it was about 27 inches long". Randle also recalled that the package was "made out of a heavy brown paper with a heavy-looking tape on it."
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#1772CH249
Quote by Linnie Mae Randle.
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#1782CH240
Quote by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#1792CH228
Quote by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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Quotes by Buell Wesley Frazier.
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#181The Tape and Paper
On the day of the assassination, DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day instructed his assistant, DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker, to obtain samples of brown wrapping paper and manila tape from a mail-wrapping table on the first floor of the TSBD. The samples were forwarded to the FBI and then compared against the paper and tape used to construct the brown paper bag found in the SN. FBI Special Agent and questioned documents expert James Carroll Cadigan concluded that the paper bag and the paper sample had "the same observable characteristics both under the microscope and all the visual tests that I could conduct."
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#a4CH89-100
FBI Special Agent James Carroll Cadigan WC testimony.
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#b897CD167
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day FBI interview.
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#c4CH268-269
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day WC testimony
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FBI report concerning the construction of the replica bag (see reference #170f).
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Samples of wrapping paper and manila tape taken from the first floor of the TSBD on November 22, 1963. The paper has been signed by DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker.
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Side-by-side comparison (50x magnification) of the wrapping paper sample (upper portion labeled K2) taken from the first floor of the TSBD to the brown paper bag (lower portion labeled Q10) found in the SN.
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Photographs of the mail-wrapping table on the first floor from which the paper and tape samples were obtained. The roll of paper is hanging underneath the table in CE730, and the tape dispenser is located on top of the table directly above.
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#182Prints on the Brown Paper Bag
The brown paper bag discovered in the SN was dusted for prints using a black "metallic magnetic powder" by DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day on November 22, 1963. The powder failed to reveal any prints on the bag. The bag was then forwarded to the FBI and subjected to "flowing iodine fumes" by FBI Special Agent Sebastian Francis Latona. The fuming method also failed to reveal any prints on the bag. Latona then treated the bag with a "silver nitrate solution". This chemical treatment uncovered a fingerprint and a palmprint. In addition to Latona, the prints were examined by FBI Special Agent Ronald Gordan Wittmus and New York Police Department Detective Arthur Angelo Mandella. All three agreed that the palmprint belonged to LHO's right palm and the fingerprint to LHO's left index finger.
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#a4CH3-20
FBI Special Agent Sebastian Francis Latona WC testimony.
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#b4CH267
DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day WC testimony.
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#c7CH590
FBI Special Agent Ronald Gordan Wittmus WC affidavit.
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#d4CH50-51
New York Police Department Detective Arthur Angelo Mandella WC testimony.
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Photographs and side-by-side comparisons of the fingerprint and palmprint found on the brown paper bag.
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#183Reclaiming Parkland: Tom Hanks, Vincent Bugliosi, and the JFK Assassination in the New Hollywood2013James DiEugenioSkyhorse PublishingP. 175-182
The brown paper bag (see reference #168) found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was constructed from materials (see reference #181) found by a mail-wrapping table on the first floor. It's typically assumed that LHO constructed the bag on November 21, 1963, brought it back to Irving that evening, and then used it to smuggle the disassembled rifle into the TSBD on the morning of November 22. Some authors (I've referenced one author here as an example but know that there are countless others) allege authorities fabricated the bag to frame LHO. Arguments to that effect tend to rely upon an absence of evidence. No one saw LHO acquiring the tape and paper, no one saw LHO constructing the bag, and no one saw LHO transporting the empty bag from Dallas to Irving. But once you recognize that someone prepping for an assassination might exercise stealth and caution, these non-observations lose much of their persuasive power. I've addressed a few other arguments in more detail below.
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#a897CD161-168
On November 22, 1963, the DPD obtained a sample of paper and tape from a mail-wrapping table on the first floor of the TSBD. On December 1, the FBI obtained a second sample of paper and tape from the same workstation. The paper and tape used to construct the brown paper bag matched the first sample pair but not the second. That's because the rolls of paper and tape had been replenished between November 22 and December 1. In other words, the first sample pair and the materials used to construct the bag originated from the same paper and tape rolls. But how quickly did the TSBD exhaust rolls of paper and tape? The TSBD received a shipment of 58 rolls of wrapping paper on March 19, 1963, which lasted until January the following year. Presuming that means January 1, 1964, that's 288 days in total. Deducting weekends, holidays, and assassination-related interruptions, we're left with roughly 200 workdays. That means the TSBD exhausted one roll of wrapping paper every 3.45 days on average. That leaves ample time for LHO to obtain some wrapping paper on November 21 (or even earlier) and for the DPD to sample that same roll of paper on November 22. The TSBD also received a shipment of 50 cartons of tape rolls on March 29, 1963. But there's no information regarding the number of rolls nor the longevity of each shipment. Let's assume each carton contained 10 rolls of tape. That's 500 rolls per shipment. Let's also assume a shipment of tape was exhausted at the same rate as a shipment of wrapping paper. Working 8 hours a day for 200 days amounts to 1 600 hours in total. That means the TSBD exhausted one roll of tape every 3.2 hours on average. Most TSBD employees started working at 08:00 AM and went on lunch break around 12:00 PM on November 22. That's already four hours. If LHO is supposed to have constructed the bag on November 21, then the roll from which he sourced the tape would likely have been exhausted and replaced by the time the DPD sampled that same tape dispenser on November 22. Except, the TSBD had more than one tape dispenser. At least three tape dispensers are visible in photographs of the first floor (see reference #181g), and DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day stated (see 4CH268) there were "other tape machines" apart from the one sampled. So each roll of tape could have lasted close to 10 hours (more than a full workday) on average, longer if more tape dispensers were located elsewhere in the building. Not to mention that these figures are estimated averages based on a series of assumptions, not rules cast in stone.
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#b6CH357-362
Troy Eugene West worked near the mail-wrapping table from which the paper and tape used to construct the brown paper bag were sourced. West told the WC he worked by this table all day, every day, yet never caught LHO taking paper or tape. While West typically ate his lunch by the table, he did, of course, take bathroom breaks. When he testified before the WC, FBI Special Agent Paul Morgan Stombaugh (see 4CH75) compared the brown paper bag to his own experience constructing similar bags. Stombaugh explained that he would occasionally "take some brown paper and a strip of tape home" and then construct a bag similar to the one found in the SN. In other words, it would have been trivial for LHO to grab some paper and tape when no one was looking, walk into another room, and then construct the bag in private at his earliest convenience. The door to the west loading dock, the rear stairs and elevators, and the stairs to the basement were all within a few short steps (see reference #14 for a diagram of the first floor of the TSBD) of the mail-wrapping table located near the center of the western wall of the building. The restrooms, meanwhile, were on the other side of the floor.
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#c4CH97-98
When FBI Special Agent James Carroll Cadigan examined the inside of the brown paper bag, he looked for "any significant markings or scratches or abrasions" that could be "associated with the rifle." Cadigan stated he "couldn't find any such markings." However, Cadigan stressed that an "absence of markings to me wouldn't mean much" and that the absence of markings did not preclude the bag from having contained the rifle. Besides, Cadigan did observe "some scratch marks and abrasions" but could not tie them to the rifle because they "could have come from any place."
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#d4CH3-5
One fingerprint and one palmprint (see reference #182) were found on the brown paper bag. Both were a match for LHO. One might expect the man who supposedly made the bag to leave more than two prints behind. But paper is a poor material for the preservation of fingerprints, and both the bag and the tape were made out of paper. Fingerprints expert FBI Special Agent Sebastian Francis Latona told the WC that when a finger or palm comes into contact with an absorbent material like paper, it "starts to become absorbed into the surface." Other prints were actually found on the bag, but none were complete nor clear enough to be identified.
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#184An Absence of Curtain Rods
There are no records of any curtain rods being found inside the TSBD. The room rented by LHO at 1026 North Beckley Avenue already had curtain rods. This is confirmed by photographs of the room taken within hours of the assassination. LHO never told his landlady, Amy Gladys Johnson, anything about curtains, curtain rods, or redecorating his room. Likewise, when he made an impromptu visit to Irving on November 21, 1963, LHO failed to mention to Ruth Avery Pain and Marina Nikolayevna Oswald that he'd come to pick up some curtain rods. Paine actually had two spare curtain rods stored on a shelf in her garage.
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Roy Sansom Truly FBI report.
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#b705CD1-3
Amy Gladys Johnson FBI interview.
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#c10CH297
Amy Gladys Johnson WC testimony.
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#d1CH68-69
Marina Nikolayevna Oswald WC testimony.
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#e3CH72-77
Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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#f9CH424-425
Ruth Avery Paine WC testimony.
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Photograph of the interior of Ruth Avery Paine's garage. The poor quality of the scan makes it difficult to see, but the package with the curtain rods is resting on a shelf near the upper-left corner of the garage.
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Photograph of two curtain rods found in the garage of Ruth Avery Paine.
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November 22, 1963Allan GrantLIFE Magazine; John McAdams
This photograph of LHO's rented room at 1026 North Beckley Avenue was taken by LIFE magazine photojournalist Allan Grant (his first name is sometimes erroneously recorded as Allen) sometime in the afternoon on November 22, 1963. The woman is Amy Gladys Johnson, landlady of the rooming house. A pair of curtains suspended from a bent curtain rod (see reference #184j below for a clearer image) are visible on the right-hand side of the image.
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November 22, 1963Fort Worth Star-Telegram; University of Texas at Arlington
This photograph of LHO's rented room at 1026 North Beckley Avenue was taken by an unknown photojournalist for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram sometime in the afternoon on November 22, 1963. Notice the bent curtain rod at the top. According to landlady Amy Gladys Johnson (see reference #184b above), this occurred during a search of the room by DPD officers. The search was conducted (see 15CH507, 7CH197-198, 7CH221-223, and 7CH213-215) around 05:00 PM and among those present were Justice of the Peace David Livingston Johnston, DPD Lieutenant Elmo Lavon Cunningham, and DPD Detectives Billy Louis Senkel, Walter Eugene Potts, Fay Mitchell Turner, and Henry Melford Moore.
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November 22, 1963Fort Worth Star-Telegram; University of Texas at Arlington
This photograph of LHO's rented room at 1026 North Beckley Avenue was taken by an unknown photojournalist for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram sometime in the afternoon on November 22, 1963.
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#1851CH73-74
Quote by Marina Nikolayevna Oswald.
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#186Fritz Informed of Oswald's Absence
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#a4CH206-207
DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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Roy Sansom Truly WC testimony.
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#1877CH59
Quote by DPD Sergeant Gerald Lynn Hill.
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2013Dale K. MyersOpen Road Interated Media
This is the preeminent book on the shooting of DPD Patrolman J.D. Tippit. Tippit was gunned down near the intersection of North Patton Avenue and East Tenth Street in Oak Cliff, Dallas, at approximately 01:15 PM, some 45 minutes after the shooting in Dealey Plaza. The exact time is unknown. The WC concluded that Tippit was shot at 01:16 PM, but author Dale Myers makes a case for 01:14:30 PM. LHO was arrested inside a movie theater less than a kilometer southwest of this location at approximately 01:50 PM and was later identified by witnesses as Tippit's murderer. While the shooting of Tippit tends to be overshadowed by the shooting of JFK, it's attracted a fair share of conspiracy theories of its own. Myers attempts to navigate the conspiracy jungle, and the book includes numerous interviews with witnesses, officers, and relatives of Tippit. It's not just a dissection of the shooting but offers an illuminating biography of Tippit himself. According to Tippit's family and official records, the letters J and D were his literal given name rather than initials. I'm using this reference to cover both the Tippit shooting and the arrest of LHO inside the Texas Theatre. The first edition of this book was published in 1998. I've referenced the second edition here (no page numbers), which includes important additions.
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DPD Patrolman J.D. Tippit (call sign 78) and DPD Patrolman Ronald Courtney Nelson (call sign 87) were instructed by DPD radio dispatch to patrol Oak Cliff, Dallas, at approximately 12:45 PM. Tippit was then near the intersection of East Kiest Boulevard and Bonnie View Road in Cedar Springs, Dallas, east of Oak Cliff. Dispatch then requested Tippit's location at approximately 12:54 PM. He was then near the intersection of North Lancaster Avenue and East Eight Street in Oak Cliff, a few blocks northeast of North Patton Avenue and East Tenth Street, where he was gunned down some 20 minutes later. See reference #82 for more info on DPD radio chatter.
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#19023CH857-858, CE1974
Domingo Benavides witnessed the shooting of DPD Patrolman J.D. Tippit. At approximately 01:16 PM, Benavides entered Tippit's squad car and used his police radio to alert dispatch of the shooting. See reference #82 for more info on DPD radio chatter.
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#19123CH922, CE1974
At approximately 01:28 PM, DPD radio dispatch announced that DPD Patrolman J.D. Tippit had been pronounced dead on arrival at Methodist Hospital in Dallas. DPD Deputy Chief Newton Thomas Fisher then wondered if there was any connection between the shooting of JFK and Tippit. Dispatch believed it possible due to the similarity between the two suspect descriptions. See reference #82 for more info on DPD radio chatter.
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#19223CH873, CE1974
At approximately 01:45 PM, DPD radio dispatch reported that a suspect was hiding in the Texas Theater at 231 Jefferson Boulevard in Oak Cliff, Dallas. See reference #82 for more info on DPD radio chatter.
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#193The Interrogations
DPD Captain John William Fritz intermittently interrogated LHO inside his office on the third floor of the DPD located within the City Hall building at 106 South Harwood Street, Dallas, from approximately 02:30 PM on November 22, 1963, to 11:15 AM on November 24. Members of the DPD, DCSO, FBI, USSS, USMS, and USPS are known to have participated in one or more of these interrogations. This reference covers the entirety of Chapter XI.
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Report written by DPD Captain John William Fritz.
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#b5CD90-103
Reports written by FBI Special Agents James Patrick Hosty, James Willingham Bookhout, and Manning Chamberlain Clements.
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Reports written by USSS Inspector Thomas Joseph Kelley.
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#d296CD8-11
Report by USPS Postal Inspector Harry Dean Holmes.
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#e7CH309-318
FBI Special Agent James Willingham Bookhout WC testimony.
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#f7CH320-322
FBI Special Agent Manning Chamberlain Clements WC testimony.
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DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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#h4CH466-468
FBI Special Agent James Patrick Hosty WC testimony.
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USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels WC testimony.
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#j7CH296-306
USPS Postal Inspector Harry Dean Holmes WC testimony.
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#k7CH266-270
DPD Detective James Robert Leavelle WC testimony.
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#194Handwritten Interrogation Notes
DPD Captain John William Fritz interrogated LHO intermittently between November 22, 1963, and November 24. Sometime later, Fritz composed a report "made from rough notes and memory" in which he summarized these interrogations (see reference #193a). Fritz later told the WC he "kept no notes" while interrogating LHO but that he took down notes "several days later". In late 1997, the ARRB announced that it had obtained a set of notes written by Fritz regarding the interrogations of LHO. The notes had reportedly been donated to the ARRB by someone who wished to remain anonymous. Considering this same person donated "other papers and photographs found after Fritz's death in 1984", the donor was presumably a relative of Fritz. Some believe Fritz wrote the notes during the interrogations, but considering what he told the WC back in 1964, the notes were likely taken down retroactively. This was the view of the ARRB as well. FBI Special Agent James Patrick Hosty also participated in an interrogation of LHO on November 22. When Hosty testified before the WC (see reference #193h), he explained that it was standard practice for any notes taken during an interrogation to be "reduced [...] to writing" and then discarded. Notes he'd taken during LHO's interrogation were therefore destroyed as a matter of course. However, in 1996, 33 years after the assassination, Hosty confessed that "several months after the Warren Report was released, I discovered the notes among my papers in my desk." Hosty held on to the notes before donating them to the ARRB later that same year. The notes by both Fritz and Hosty are disorganized and written in shorthand. They're difficult to parse and, therefore, susceptible to bias. This reference covers the entirety of Chapter XI.
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November 20, 1997Eileen Sullivan; Assassination Records Review BoardMary Farrell Foundation
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1963John William FritzDallas Police Department; Assassination Records Review Board; Mary Farrell Foundation
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1997Assassination Records Review BoardMary Farrell Foundation
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November 22, 1996Thom Wilborn; Assassination Records Review BoardMary Farrell Foundation
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1996James P. Hosty & Jr.Arcade PublishingP. 146 & 152-153
See the eleventh unnumbered page sandwiched between pages 152 and 153 for two pages of notes that Hosty wrote during an interrogation of LHO on November 22, 1963. The caption says Hosty was "the only person to take notes during the police interrogation of Oswald, since no one anticipated the assassin's imminent death."
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Malcolm Blunt; Dealey Plaza UKGoogle Drive
The notes by FBI Special Agent James Patrick Hosty can be found here in an archive of JFK-related documents amassed by researcher and archivist Malcolm Blunt and made available by a group of British assassination researchers known as Dealey Plaza UK.
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December 15, 2022LEMMiNOGoogle Docs
I couldn't find an official transcript of the handwritten interrogation notes by FBI Special Agent James Patrick Hosty, so I transcribed them as best I could and put them all in this Google Docs document. Notes #1 and #2 are transcripts of two notes found in reference #194e above while Note #3 is a transcript of a note titled "Handwritten Notes Oswald Investigation Nov 22 1963" found in reference #194f above. Hosty donated other notes to the ARRB, but these three are the only ones pertinent to LHO's alleged alibi.
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December 17, 2022LEMMiNOGoogle Docs
I've listed and referenced all second-hand accounts of LHO's alibi(s) in this Google Docs document, along with a few examples of how they might be interpreted. This reference covers the entirety of Chapter XI.
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#1964CH232
Quote by DPD Captain John William Fritz.
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November 22-23, 1963CBS-TVDavid Von Pein01:56:40
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#1983CH201
Quote by James Earl Jarman.
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#1995CD100
Quote by FBI Special Agent James Willingham Bookhout.
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#200Conspiracy1980Anthony SummersMcGraw-Hill Book CompanyP. 105-107
One of the alibis offered by LHO (see reference #195 for other alibis) was that he'd eaten lunch in the first-floor lunchroom (also known as the Domino Room) between roughly noon and the shooting. He also claimed to have seen two black coworkers enter and traverse the lunchroom "during this period." LHO could only recall the nickname of one of them, Junior. Junior was the nickname of James Earl Jarman. He described the other man as "short". According to author Anthony Summers, the second man was Harold Dean Norman because Norman was black and short. Apart from a brief excursion outside, both Jarman and Norman were on the first floor between roughly noon and shortly before the shooting. Even though Summers acknowledged that this observation occurred "at some stage" (i.e. during an unspecified period of time), he also believed that LHO "demonstrated almost psychic powers" because he knew the two men had been on the first floor. This nonsensical interpretation has been repeated in countless other books and continues to be repeated to this day.
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#201Jarman's Last Observation of Oswald
In his DCSO affidavit, James Earl Jarman claimed to have last seen LHO on November 22, 1963, inside the TSBD between 11:30 AM and 12:00 PM "when he was taking the elevator upstairs to get some boxes." Despite this statement being repeated in other interviews, it was never clarified from which floor Jarman made the observation. However, before the above-quoted statement, Jarman described reference #32, which took place on the first floor. Immediately after the above-quoted statement, Jarman described reference #43 when the floor-laying crew broke for lunch and emerged from the elevators on the first floor. So the context implies Jarman was on the first floor when he saw LHO take an elevator upstairs. Furthermore, Jarman worked as an Order Checker who checked orders fulfilled by Order Fillers like LHO. Order Checkers (see 3CH166, 3CH187, 3CH199, and 3CH215) worked on the first floor.
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#a87CD274
James Earl Jarman DCSO affidavit.
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#b5CD334
James Earl Jarman FBI interview.
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#c87CD784
According to this USSS interview, Jarman claimed he was "working with the floor-laying crew on the sixth floor" of the TSBD on November 22, 1963. According to every other interview with Jarman, this was not true. Jarman might have gone up to the sixth floor at some point during the day, but he worked by a table on the first floor and checked orders.
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#202Shelley's Last Observation of Oswald
Between 11:45 AM and 12:00 PM (narrowed down to "about 11:50 AM" in later accounts) on November 22, 1963, William Hoyt Shelley arrived on the first floor of the TSBD for his lunch break. At that time, Shelley saw LHO "working at his normal duties on the first floor." However, if Shelley participated in the elevator race (see reference #43), this must have occurred a few minutes after Shelley arrived on the first floor because LHO was seen and heard standing on the fifth floor during the descent.
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#203Piper's Last Observation of Oswald
Around noon on November 22, 1963, Eddie Piper was on the first floor of the TSBD. He saw LHO and told him, "It's about lunch time. I believe I'll go have lunch." In a mumbled response, LHO said, "I'm going up to eat." Later, Piper was unsure whether LHO had said "going up" or "going out". Piper did not see where LHO went afterward.
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#a19CH499
Eddie Piper DCSO affidavit.
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#b87CD780
Eddie Piper USSS interview.
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#c6CH383-385
Eddie Piper WC testimony.
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#204Arnold's Last Observation of Oswald
Carolyn Jane Arnold watched the motorcade from a position directly in front of the TSBD. According to an FBI interview conducted on November 26, 1963, Arnold told them "she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of Lee Harvey Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor." This would be the vestibule just inside the main entrance of the TSBD. Arnold could not be certain the man was LHO but said the observation was supposed to have taken place "a few minutes before 12:15 PM." Four months later, Arnold was reinterviewed by the FBI and now claimed to have gone outside "at about 12:25 PM". In a press interview conducted 15 years later, Arnold denied making any statements about seeing LHO on the first floor of the TSBD. She said that it "would have forced me to have been turning back around to the building when, in fact, I was trying to watch the parade." Instead, Arnold now claimed to have seen LHO in the second-floor lunchroom at approximately 12:25 PM. LHO was alone, appeared to be having lunch, and Arnold "recognized him clearly." Despite other employees being present in these areas during or shortly before the assassination, no one but Arnold laid eyes on LHO. After 15 years, it would have been trivial for Arnold to misplace the date when she observed LHO eating lunch in the second-floor lunchroom. As Arnold herself explained, Oswald was "alone as usual", so this was presumably an observation she'd made many times before.
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#2055CD41
Quote from FBI interview with Carolyn Jane Arnold.
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November 26, 1978Earl GolzDallas Morning NewsP. 13A
Quotes by Carolyn Jane Arnold.
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November 22, 1963James Patrick HostyMalcolm Blunt; Dealey Plaza UK; Google Drive
Quote by FBI Special Agent James Patrick Hosty (see reference #194 for context).
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#208Lovelady Mistaken For Oswald
A few days after the assassination, a photograph taken by Associated Press photojournalist James William Altgens was published by countless newspapers worldwide. The photograph appeared to show LHO standing on the front steps of the TSBD during the shooting. But the man was soon identified as another TSBD employee named Billy Nolan Lovelady, who resembled LHO. Not only did Lovelady himself confirm as much, but so, too, did a number of his coworkers as well as the WC and HSCA.
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December 3, 1963The Salisbury TimesVol. 41No. 1P. 1
An example of the many news articles reporting on the photograph showing Billy Nolan Lovelady watching the motorcade from the front steps of the TSBD.
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A close-up of a photograph (see CE203 in the same document for a larger copy) taken during the shooting from the west curb of Elm Street by James William Altgens. The Presidential Limousine can be seen in the foreground, with JFK slightly hunched over in the backseat. Directly behind the Presidential Limousine is the USSS follow-up car. Two agents riding the right-hand running board can be seen with their heads turned toward the TSBD. According to author Richard Trask (see page 313 of reference #103g), there was a "foreshortening of features within the picture" because Altgens' camera was affixed with a 105mm telephoto lens. In other words, the lens created the illusion of objects and people in the scene being much closer together. Behind the two cars is the main entrance of the TSBD. Leaning out from behind the west wall is TSBD employee Billy Nolan Lovelady. Lovelady drew the arrow pointing at himself in the photograph when he testified before the WC.
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#c735CD24
Billy Nolan Lovelady FBI interview.
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#d6CH338-339
Billy Nolan Lovelady WC testimony.
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#e385CD7-9
Roy Sansom Truly, Billy Nolan Lovelady, and William Hoyt Shelley independently identified the man in the photograph taken by James William Altgens as Lovelady.
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#f7CH517-523
James William Altgens WC testimony.
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#g6HSCA286-293
It was the subjective opinion of the HSCA that "the man in the doorway bears a much stronger resemblance to Lovelady than to Oswald."
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#209Prayer ManBart Kamp
According to some conspiracy theorists, LHO can be seen standing in the main entrance of the TSBD in two films taken by NBC cameraman David Wiegman and WBAP-TV cameraman James Glen Darnell. All still frames of this person are of poor quality and, therefore, ill-suited for identification. They have been dubbed Prayer Man because, to some, it looks like a man who's praying. Not a single witness recalled seeing LHO watching the motorcade from anywhere outside, let alone the crowded front steps of the TSBD. Keep in mind that many witnesses were explicitly asked with whom they watched the motorcade or stood nearby. None of them recalled LHO. In an interview with author Larry Sneed (see pages 70-71 of reference #103h), Ruth Hilliard Dean stated emphatically, "Lee Harvey Oswald was not on the steps as some people have claimed." There's no reason why Prayer Man could not have been a different TSBD employee or even a bystander. In a 2021 interview (see 48:28 of reference #227b) Buell Wesley Frazier stated he "did not know everyone" who watched the motorcade from the front steps of the TSBD and thought it possible that "someone that didn't work [...] in this building" could have been standing there. Many assumptions regarding who's who and what's what are based entirely upon pixel-deficient photographs and precision-deficient witness accounts. These assumptions can easily take on the appearance of fact should one fail to acknowledge the subjectivity intrinsic to such error-prone methods. It's also worth mentioning that USSS Inspector Thomas Joseph Kelley (see reference #193c) asked LHO directly whether he "viewed the parade and he said he had not." Prayer Man is just the latest in a long series of blurry smudges and unremarkable figures elevated to thrilling leaps of conspiracy. Badge Man, Black Dog Man, Babushka Lady, Umbrella Man, The Three Tramps, and reference #208 comes to mind. One can only hope that a clearer photograph might one day surface. Until then, a blurry image will no more prove the existence of flying saucers than an assassination conspiracy.
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#210296CH11
Quote by USPS Postal Inspector Harry Dean Holmes.
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#211Brennan's Identification of Oswald
Howard Leslie Brennan (a steamfitter employed by United Association of Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 100) was among those who witnessed a gunman in the easternmost south-facing window on the sixth floor of the TSBD. In a DCSO affidavit taken shortly after the shooting, Brennan stated he "could identify this man if I ever saw him again." No other witness had gotten a good enough look at the gunman to be able to identify him. Later that evening, Brennan was escorted by USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels to the basement of the City Hall building in downtown Dallas to view a suspect lineup. Brennan picked LHO from the lineup. But, after the lineup, Brennan was questioned by the FBI and reportedly told them "he could not positively identify Oswald as the person he saw fire the rifle." Three weeks later, Brennan was again questioned by the FBI and reportedly told them "he is sure that Lee Harvey Oswald was the person he saw in the window at the time of the President's assassination." Brennan offered two explanations for his initial uncertainty during the lineup. First; he believed his identification to be unnecessary because witnesses to the shooting of DPD Patrolman J. D. Tippit had already identified LHO as the gunman. Second; he feared his identification might be clouded because he'd already seen LHO's face on TV before attending the lineup. Brennan then offered a third explanation when he testified before the WC a few months later. He stated that between the shooting and the lineup, he'd become concerned that the assassination was the result of "communist activity". Even though he was certain of LHO's guilt, Brennan supposedly feigned uncertainty during the lineup out of fear that a positive identification could endanger himself and his family. Brennan brought these concerns to his wife, Helen Louise Brennan, and they considered moving their daughter and grandson "out of town somewhere in secrecy" because Brennan felt that "anything could happen to me or my family." Brennan also explained that he decided to come forward with all this after LHO's death because "there was no longer that immediate danger." Whether you believe Brennan's story is entirely subjective. Had authorities questioned Helen, she might have been able to corroborate parts of her husband's story, but, alas, she never was.
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#a87CD272
Howard Leslie Brennan DCSO affidavit.
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Howard Leslie Brennan FBI interview.
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Howard Leslie Brennan FBI interview.
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Howard Leslie Brennan WC testimony.
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USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels WC testimony.
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1987Howard L. Brennan & J. Edward CherryholmesTexian Press
Apart from his appearance before the WC and a subsequent CBS interview (both in 1964), Howard Leslie Brennan refused to talk about the assassination. Two decades later, shortly before his death in late 1983, Brennan agreed to share his story with his pastor and friend, Joseph Edward Cherryholmes, which culminated in this memoir. Brennan's reluctance to relate his experiences was rooted in fear, frustration, and deference to JFK. He initially feared that identifying the assassin might endanger himself and his family. Fear soon turned to frustration over the ceaseless barrage of inquiries by journalists, authors, and others. Brennan explained that he "never liked the spotlight under any circumstances" and felt that his right to privacy was being violated. He considered but ultimately refused to tell his story because he "didn't want to be part of anything that would make money off the misfortunes of the Kennedy family" and felt that "making profit from the assassination is like blood-money." Furthermore, Brennan was concerned the media might twist his words and "decided not to allow that to happen". After 1964, Brennan felt that he had "nothing more to say that wasn't already on record." In 1978, Brennan was called to testify before the HSCA. He was even issued a congressional subpoena. By this point, however, Brennan's health had begun to decline. He wanted to put the assassination behind him and, once again, refused to cooperate. The HSCA decided to respect his wishes. Brennan died five years later, and this memoir (which Brennan reviewed before his death) was posthumously published by Cherryholmes in 1987. Brennan mostly repeated what he told the WC but expanded upon certain details. For instance, he described the man in the window as a "solitary figure who seemed to be in his own little world." Brennan explained, "The most unusual thing about him, I decided, was his demeanor. It stood out in sharp contrast to that of everyone else." The man "didn't seem to feel one bit of excitement" and "his face was almost expressionless." The demeanor of two black men on the fifth floor was "exactly the opposite" because they were "having the time of their lives." While standing in front of the TSBD shortly after the shooting, Brennan also recalled being "confronted by a television reporter and a cameraman." Brennan was not interested in talking to them because "if there were more people involved than the young man I had seen then showing me on television as an eyewitness would be like hanging a target over my heart for someone to shoot at." Brennan also believed that it was during this time that LHO escaped the TSBD via the main entrance. Brennan explained, "It is my sincere belief that Lee Harvey Oswald came out of the front door of the Depository while I was trying to avoid the TV reporter. If my attention had not been distracted, I might have spotted him right there." Brennan also claimed to have seen a 1955-57 Oldsmobile that was "parked beside" the TSBD shortly before the shooting. This "mystery car" supposedly disappeared moments after the shooting, before enough time had elapsed to allow an assassin to escape the building. Brennan still found it suspicious and speculated it might have been a "get-away car." The driver was a white male with civilian clothes.
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Quotes by USSS Special Agent in Charge Forrest Vernon Sorrels.
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#213The Lineups
LHO participated in multiple suspect lineups on November 22, 1963. LHO was 5'9½" (176.5 cm) and 24 years old (see reference #71). Richard Lowell Clark, William Edward Perry, and Donnie Ray Ables participated in the first two lineups. Clark and Perry were DPD Vice Squad Detectives. Clark was 5'11" (180 cm) and 31 years old. Perry was also 5'11" and 34 years old. According to DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd, it was unusual for officers to participate in lineups. DPD Captain John William Fritz told the WC that he was "a little bit afraid some prisoner might hurt" LHO and instructed Clark and Perry to roughen up their clothes so "they would look like prisoners". Donnie Ray Ables was a DPD jail clerk. Ables was 5'9" (175 cm) and 26 years old. For the third lineup, Ables participated once again but Clark and Perry were replaced with two prisoners named Richard Walter Borchgardt and Ellis Carl Brazel. Borchgardt was 5'9" and 23 years old. Brazel was 5'10" (178 cm) and 22 years old. Howard Leslie Brennan viewed this third lineup shortly before 08:00 PM.
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Photographs of Richard Lowell Clark, William Edward Perry, and Donnie Ray Ables who participated in th first two lineups.
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WC testimonies of Richard Lowell Clark, William Edward Perry, and Donnie Ray Ables.
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DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd WC testimony.
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DPD Detectives Richard Milton Sims WC testimony.
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Quotes by Howard Leslie Brennan.
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#2153CH160
Quotes by Howard Leslie Brennan.
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#216Jail Transfer of Oswald
After filing a criminal complaint against a suspect in custody, it was customary for the DCSO (DPD in this special case) to transfer the prisoner from the city jail to the county jail. On the evening of November 23, 1963, the press was informed by DPD Chief Jesse Edward Curry that LHO would be transferred to the Dallas County jail sometime after 10:00 AM on November 24. On the morning of November 24, interrogations of LHO delayed the transfer until 11:15 AM. He was escorted from the third floor of the Dallas City Hall building into the basement, where reporters and a transfer vehicle awaited his arrival. Mere steps from the squad car, LHO was gunned down by Dallas nightclub owner Jack Leon Ruby at 11:21 AM live on television. The shooting of LHO sparked immediate suspicions of conspiracy. Many suspected (and still suspect) that Ruby was a hitman ordered to silence LHO by those who supposedly manipulated or colluded with LHO to assassinate JFK. An argument against that assertion is that Ruby left his apartment at 223 South Ewing Avenue, Oak Cliff, Dallas, well after 10:00 AM on November 24. He then paid a visit to a Western Union office near the City Hall building at precisely 11:17 AM. Had the transfer not been delayed, Ruby would have missed his opportunity to shoot LHO by over an hour. The transfer was chiefly delayed because USPS Postal Inspector Harry Dean Holmes decided (on a whim) to drop by the DPD in case they needed assistance. Holmes had previously assisted the DPD regarding Post Office boxes rented by LHO. That being said, the shooting of LHO is far more complicated than could be outlined in this brief footnote.
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DPD Chief Jesse Edward Curry WC testimony.
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DPD Chief Jesse Edward Curry WC testimony.
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DPD Captain John William Fritz WC testimony.
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DPD Assistant Chief Charles Batchelor WC testimony.
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USPS Postal Inspector Harry Dean Holmes WC testimony.
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November 24, 1963KRLD-TVDavid Von Pein01:00
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November 23-24, 1963CBS-TVDavid Von Pein10:08:20
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November 24-25, 1963CBS-TVDavid Von Pein01:09:00 & 01:14:20
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1967Sylvia MeagherThe Bobbs-Merrill Company, Inc.P. 64-69
The testimony of Charles Douglas Givens and his alleged encounter with LHO on the sixth floor of the TSBD have been questioned by numerous authors over the years. I've referenced one of the earliest examples here. Near the end of a chapter dedicated to this event, author Silvia Meagher concluded, "I reject as false the story that Givens returned to the sixth floor at 11:55 a.m. and that he met and spoke to Oswald at that time. The circumstances suggest that Givens, a Dallas Negro with a police record and vulnerable to intimidation, was persuaded to fabricate this story".
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Quote from FBI interview with DPD Lieutenant Jack Revill.
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#222Alyea On Conspiracy
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1996-1998Thomas Paul AlyeaARRB; National Archives and Records Administration; Prayer Man Website
Included at the bottom of this page are scanned copies of faxes (from the National Archives) sent by former WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea to members of the ARRB in the late 1990s. Alyea wrote in one of these faxes (dated August 15, 1997) that the WC testimonies of DPD Lieutenant John Carl Day and DPD Detective Robert Lee Studebaker were "completely false from beginning to end." Alyea suggested that "their reason was to protect their boss, Captain Fritz, and perhaps their own pensions." Alyea made similar suggestions in reference #151o. In another fax (dated July 15, 1996), Alyea writes that "claims of government participation in President Kennedy's assassination" are a "hoax" that has "tarnished America's image in the eyes of the world". This is also consistent with reference #222c below. Despite his allegations of foul play, it seems that Alyea never ascribed a conspiratorial motive to what he witnessed on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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November 22, 2013Michael OverallTulsa World
Former WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea was interviewed (at 91 years old) by Tulsa World columnist Michael Overall in 2013, on the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination. Alyea repeated many of his earlier claims and characterized the sixth-floor search of the TSBD as a "scam" that was retroactively "cleaned up" by authorities. However, according to Overall, Alyea "has little patience for conspiracy theorists who ask whether Lee Harvey Oswald actually did it." Quoting Alyea directly, "These guys who write to me - 99 percent of their 'facts' are completely made up. They're not even asking the right questions." But Alyea also conceded, "The lies bother me. The historical record is not accurate."
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September 22, 2001Martha Moyeralt.assassination.jfk
Former WFAA-TV correspondent Thomas Paul Alyea wrote a manuscript titled The JFK Conspiracy HOAX or The Sixth Floor HOAX at some point. The manuscript was distributed amongst a few researchers but never officially published. I contacted a few authors but was unable to get a hold of a copy. Referenced here is a newsgroup message from 2001 by researcher Martha Moyer which includes a few excerpts from the manuscript.
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November 22, 1963WBAPDavid Von Pein02:50:00
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#224Depository Shortly Before and After the Shooting
These films and photographs of the TSBD were taken mere seconds before or after the shooting.
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November 22, 1963Jack WeaverFBI; Robin Unger
Jack Allison Weaver snapped a photograph of the Presidential Limousine as it turned from Main to Houston Street, only a few seconds before the shooting. In the background of his photograph, Weaver managed to capture most of the southern facade of the TSBD. This is an enhanced crop of that portion of the photograph. The first six windows (counted from the east) on floors four through seven are visible, including the SN window. The first floor, the first four windows on the second floor, and the first five on the third are also visible.
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November 22, 1963Robert HughesThe Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
Robert Joseph Elmore Hughes captured the first six floors of the TSBD in this film, taken mere moments before the first shot rang out. The first five windows (counted from the east) on floors three through six are visible, including the SN window. The first floor and the first four windows on the second floor are also visible.
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November 22, 1963Tina TownerThe Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
Tina Towner captured the whole first floor and (just barely) the windows on the second floor in this film, taken mere moments before the first shot rang out.
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November 22, 1963Thomas DillardThe Dallas Morning News & The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
Dallas Morning News photographer Thomas Clinton Dillard rode in the motorcade a few cars behind JFK. Mere seconds after the shooting, he took two photographs of the TSBD. This one shows James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman (from left to right) looking out the far east windows on the fifth floor. The two photographs were also included with the WC (see 19CH563-566, Dillard Exhibit A-D; 17CH199-200, CE480-482) but are too overexposed for all three men to be easily discernible.
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November 22, 1963Thomas DillardThe Dallas Morning News & The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
The second photograph taken by Dallas Morning News photographer Thomas Clinton Dillard. This one shows Bonnie Ray Williams and Harold Dean Norman (from left to right) looking out the easternmost window on the fifth floor.
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November 22, 1963James PowellRobin Unger; Denis Morrisette
Army Intelligence Special Agent James Wheeler Powell captured the upper floors of the TSBD in this photograph, taken within 30 seconds (see 206CD20) of the shooting. All seven windows on floors four through seven are visible, including the SN window. The first six windows (counted from the east) on the third floor are also visible. Bonnie Ray Williams can be seen in the easternmost window on the fifth floor.
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#225The Apparent Power Outage
Some reports (I'm only aware of three, but there could be others) suggest the TSBD suffered a power outage shortly before, during, or after the shooting. However, the TSBD was dingy, with many cramped hallways, stairways, and windowless rooms. While a select few witnesses reported what might be perceived as a power outage, no one reported anything close to a building-wide blackout. In fact, many witnesses recalled using the elevators before, during, and after the shooting without issue. Misunderstandings or localized equipment-specific interruptions seem far more probable.
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#a6CH395-396
Moments before the motorcade's arrival, Geneva Lucile Hine was on the second floor of the TSBD, attending to a telephone at her desk. She was not operating a switchboard, but the phone had "three incoming lines" and a "warehouse line". Hine noticed that "the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling". Moments after the shooting, Hine briefly left her office. Upon her return, Hine noticed that "the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in." One could (as some authors have) interpret Hine's recollections as evidence of a blackout. Another interpretation is that Hine was referring to indicator lights on the telephones (to signal incoming and outgoing calls) rather than the incandescent light bulbs illuminating the office. Besides, the power supply of landline telephones was (and still is) often separate from that which powers the rest of the building. Indeed, when Hine left the office shortly after the shooting, she knocked on the door to Room #203 (office of the Southwestern Publishing Company) and heard a woman talking on the phone inside. The door was locked, and Hine could not identify the woman (she could only see her silhouette through a curtained window), but it must have been Carol Ann Hughes. Hughes told the FBI (see 706CD47) that she was alone in that room during the shooting but neglected to mention anything about a phone call. Apart from Hines and Hughes, no other employees are known to have been present on the second floor so soon after the shooting. My interpretation is that a brief interruption of incoming calls coincided with the motorcade's arrival, to which Hine ascribed a casual relationship.
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#b3CH283-284
A few minutes after the shooting, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney entered the west freight elevator on the first floor of the TSBD. He was joined by two women who wanted to go to the second floor. Mooney pressed the button, and the elevator ascended to the second floor before "the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator." Mooney had earlier reported (see 19CH528) the same thing. More than four decades later (see 09:40-10:30 and 34:45-34:55 of reference #151m) Mooney said he never found out who "turned off the electricity." The two women (whom Mooney described as employees) were never identified, but they likely worked on the second floor, considering they told Mooney, "We want to go to the second floor." While Mooney blamed a building-wide power outage for the elevator's immobility, the problem might have been far simpler. A pair of gates (see reference #44) had to be closed for the west freight elevator to function. Mooney might have neglected to close one of the two gates, although he told author Larry Sneed (see page 225 of reference #151l) that he "knew how to operate a freight elevator". Another possibility is that someone opened a gate (on a floor other than the second) while Mooney and the two women ascended to the second floor. I'm unsure if that would have rendered the elevator inoperable, but I couldn't find anything to refute it either.
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Victoria Eleanor Adams entered the TSBD via the main entrance a few minutes after the shooting. She attempted to summon the passenger elevator near the front of the building, but "the power had been cut off on the elevator". Adams then took the front stairs to the second floor and entered the west freight elevator in the rear of the building along with two plainclothesmen. But, once again, the elevator "wasn't operating". Adams corroborated the account of DCSO Deputy Sheriff Luke Elmo Mooney (see reference #225b above) when she stated that the west freight elevator was inoperable. When they realized the elevator was stuck, the two plainclothesmen "lifted the elevator gate" and left. Adams' use of the singular noun "gate" might offer a clue as to what happened. It's possible none of them realized they had to close two gates for the elevator to function. Adams was a clerk accustomed to the sleek automatic passenger elevator up-front, not the bulky freight elevators reserved for the warehouse crew. The problem with the passenger elevator is that Adams alone noticed its apparent loss of power. Many of Adams' colleagues (e.g. see 7CD23, 706CD89, and 5CD63) used an elevator without issue within minutes of the shooting. While few clarified which elevator they used, context (office personnel near the main entrance) makes the passenger elevator the most probable candidate. Regardless, the fact that any elevator was operable discounts a building-wide power outage.
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#226The Rambler Man
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig watched the motorcade from the north side of Main Street, near the intersection of Main and Houston Street. Craig heard three shots and ran towards the railroad tracks west of the TSBD. He spent several minutes searching the area before encountering Arnold Louis Rowland and Barbara Fay Rowland (see reference #55 and reference #72). Approximately 15 minutes after the shooting, Craig was standing near the south curb of Elm Street when he heard a "shrill whistle" and witnessed a white man descend the Grassy Knoll from the direction of the TSBD. As the years went by, Craig gradually reduced the time of this observation to approximately 10 minutes after the shooting. The man was picked up by a white or light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon which had pulled over by the north curb of Elm Street. Years later, Craig changed the color of the vehicle to light-green or green. The driver was either black or a "dark complected white male." Later that afternoon, Craig saw LHO at the DPD and identified him as the man he'd seen entering the station wagon. When DPD Captain John William Fritz asked LHO about the Nash Rambler station wagon seen by Craig, LHO supposedly stated that it belonged to Ruth Avery Paine. Neither Fritz nor anyone else was able to corroborate Craig's recollections, nor did Paine own a Nash Rambler station wagon. There are many reasons to doubt the man seen by Craig was LHO. For one thing, Craig's recollection was disputed by the events described in reference #126, to which LHO confessed under interrogation. The last confirmed sighting of LHO inside the TSBD was by Jeraldean Reid (see reference #123) roughly 2-3 minutes after the shooting. This would mean that either LHO waited around near the crime scene for upwards of 10 minutes or left the crime scene (i.e. successfully escaped) but inexplicably returned. During those 10 minutes, LHO remained completely invisible to his coworkers and everyone else in Dealey Plaza. Not to mention that he managed to avoid being captured in films and photographs. When his apparent getaway driver arrived, one of them whistled loudly (unless, in a stroke of bad luck, it was someone else), and LHO then sprinted down the slanted turf in full view of everyone in Dealey Plaza. Even though his co-conspirators could have arranged for a pickup literally anywhere in Dallas, they opted for the frantic, police-swamped, news-surveilled kill zone of a presidential assassination. In Craig's defense, two men driving west on Elm Street, Marvin Cleo Robinson and Roy Cooper, saw a man run down the grass-covered incline (north of Elm Street) before being picked up by a Nash Rambler station wagon sometime between 12:30 and 01:00 PM. However, neither of them got a good enough look at the man to make a positive identification. Craig's sighting has also been connected to a similar observation made by Richard Randolph Carr (see reference #88). Except the Nash Rambler station wagon seen by Carr drove north on Houston Street immediately after the shooting, not west on Elm Street some 10-15 minutes later. The car seen by Carr also picked up two men, one of whom was "real dark-complected". Craig only saw one white man enter the vehicle. It is, of course, perfectly reasonable for innocent people to flee the frightening scene of a violent murder. Indeed, hundreds of spectators did precisely that (see reference #95) and were never identified. It might even have been a journalist (see page 209 of reference #125b for one example) attempting to get to Parkland Hospital. Craig insisted that the man he saw was LHO for the rest of his life.
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In this interview with the FBI, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig reportedly told them the station wagon was "driven by a Negro male". The report also stated that Craig saw the man enter the Nash Rambler station wagon "approximately 3 or 4 minutes" after he "went through the parking area and briefly searched area on Elm Street." When he testified before the WC, Craig clarified that he spoke with Arnold Louis Rowland and Barbara Fay Rowland for "3 or 4 minutes" but that he saw the man who entered the Nash Rambler station wagon "14 or 15 minutes" after the shooting. The report also stated that Craig "heard this individual whistle". In subsequent interviews, Craig seemed unsure of who whistled.
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In this DCSO summary report, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig described the Nash Rambler station wagon as "light-colored" and the driver as a "dark complected white male."
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#c105CD345
According to this FBI summary report, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig told them he saw the man enter the Nash Rambler station wagon "immediately following the shooting".
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In this interview with the FBI, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig reportedly described the vehicle as a "white Nash Rambler station wagon". Craig described the driver as "white, American, dark-complected, short hair, wearing a light colored jacket." Craig also explained that "he had previously described this man as a Negro male, but has since decided that the driver was a white male."
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When he testified before the WC, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig estimated that the incident with the Nash Rambler station wagon had taken place "14 or 15 minutes" after the shooting. When Craig first saw the man who entered the vehicle, the man was on the south side of the Elm Street service road extension, "directly in line" with the southwest corner (longitudinally speaking) of the TSBD. Craig then observed the man "run down the hill on the north side of Elm Street" which he further described as "directly down the grassy portion of the park." Presuming he meant the southwest corner of the TSBD's west loading dock, the man must have begun his descent near the east end of the John Neely Bryan concrete pergola. Craig described the station wagon driver as "very dark complected" with short dark hair and wearing a white windbreaker jacket. But Craig twice conceded that he "didn't get a real good look at him" and was unable to furnish a more detailed description. Craig described the car as "light colored" and clarified that "it looked white to me." He also stated that the reason he identified the vehicle as a Nash Rambler was "because it had a built-in luggage rack on the top" and that it was "the only type of car I could fit with that type [of] luggage rack." Around 05:30 PM that same afternoon, Craig went down to the DPD and identified LHO as the man who entered the Nash Rambler station wagon. Craig recalled being brought into the interrogation room where DPD Captain John William Fritz asked LHO, "What about this station wagon?" LHO supposedly responded, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it." Neither Fritz nor anyone else recalled LHO saying anything like that. See references below for more on this. At the end of his testimony, Craig was asked if he might have been influenced by his foreknowledge that LHO was a suspect, subconsciously or otherwise. Craig responded, "Well, it's possible, but I still feel strongly that it was the same person."
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November 23, 1963Jack TinsleyFort Worth Star-TelegramVol. 83No. 296P. 1
Sometime in the afternoon of November 22, 1963, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was interviewed by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Brief snippets from this interview were published on the frontpage of the following morning's paper. Craig stated that he saw a man "come down the street" near the "back door" of the TSBD who "whistled down a white Nash Rambler driven by a Negro" and identified him as LHO.
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March 1, 1968Jeanne MorganLos Angeles Free PressVol. 5No. 9P. 3 & 25-26
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was interviewed by the underground newspaper Los Angeles Free Press in early 1968. By this point, Craig's story had received a few subtle updates. The Nash Rambler station wagon was now a definite "light green" rather than white or light-colored. The estimated time of the incident was now as early as 10 minutes after the shooting (12:40 PM) rather than "14 or 15 minutes." Craig also claimed to have spoken to a USSS agent shortly after the incident. The agent seemed disinterested in his story about the Nash Rambler station wagon. Craig identified the man as Edgar Eugene Bradley. Bradley was not a USSS agent but a representative for an evangelical radio broadcaster. There's no evidence Bradley was in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.
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February 14, 1969Mary Ferrell FoundationP. 74-81, 84, & 88-89
DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was called as a witness during the trial of Clay LaVergne Shaw in 1969. Craig repeated much of what he shared in reference #226g above. Craig also described the driver of the Nash Rambler station wagon as "very muscular" with a "bull neck and very strong face". Craig added these details despite telling the WC back in 1964 that he "didn't get a real good look" at the driver.
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1971Roger CraigDavid Ratcliffe
This unpublished manuscript was written by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig in 1971. Craig reflected upon the incident with the Nash Rambler station wagon and claimed that his WC testimony had been altered "fourteen times". For instance, Craig wrote that he told the WC the color of the vehicle was "light green" but that the WC changed it to "white". But Craig described the car as white on more than one occasion prior to his appearance before the WC. In the afternoon of November 22, 1963, Craig told both the FBI and the press that the car was white. He repeated this when reinterviewed by the FBI on November 25. Craig also wrote that when news of DPD Patrolman J.D. Tippit's murder reached him at the TSBD, he instinctively looked down at his watch and recorded the time. It read 01:06 PM. However, when asked if he knew the time of Tippit's murder in reference #226g (three years before he wrote this manuscript), Craig answered, "about 01:40". Craig was immediately corrected and then agreed the shooting had probably occurred shortly before 01:15 PM. Throughout this manuscript, Craig painted an extremely unflattering picture of the DCSO and his former boss, DCSO Sheriff James Eric Decker. According to Craig, he was ostracized and persecuted by Decker and the DCSO because he identified the man entering the Nash Rambler station wagon as LHO. This torment persisted for years, and Craig frames the whole ordeal as a "never-ending cover up." According to Craig, he survived multiple murder attempts because he dared to speak the truth. When these hits are supposed to have occurred, Craig had already shared his story with the world multiple times over. If Craig posed such a threat to the alleged conspirators, he could've easily been ignored. Hundreds of witnesses never testified, including many DPD and DCSO officers. It would have been far easier and far less risky for the alleged conspirators to ignore Craig than to retroactively doctor his multiple interviews and sworn testimony.
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1976Lincoln Carle & Mark Lane
In 1976, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was the focus of a documentary titled "Two Men in Dallas". Craig repeated much of what he privately shared a few years prior in reference #226i above.
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#k5CD70
According to this FBI interview, Marvin Cleo Robinson told them he was driving west on Elm Street between 12:30 and 01:00 PM on November 22, 1963, when he saw a "light colored Nash station wagon suddenly appear before him." A white man then "came down the grass covered incline" north of Elm Street and entered the vehicle. Unfortunately, Robinson paid little attention to both the vehicle and the man and "would be unable to identify him."
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July-August 1997John KelinFair PlayNo. 17P. 3
According to this FBI interview, Roy Cooper worked for Marvin Cleo Robinson and corroborated the essence of what both Robinson and DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig reported. But Cooper could not identify the man who entered the Nash Rambler station wagon. I could not find a scan of the original document (FBI Record 124-10145-10036), but it was fortunately reprinted verbatim in this magazine article from 1997.
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#m205CD42
According to this FBI report, DCSO Sheriff James Eric Decker (went by the nickname Bill) told them that DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was a "reliable employee who is completely honest in his belief that he saw Oswald getting into a white Nash Rambler immediately after the shooting". Decker stated that he tried to explain to Craig that his identification was contradicted by other witnesses and a bus transfer ticket (see reference #126) found in LHO's possession upon his arrest. Craig responded that he was "aware of all that and knew that this indicated that [he] was mistaken" but still believed the person he saw was LHO. When asked about this conversation during his WC testimony, Craig stated he "knew nothing about a bus transfer."
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#n4CH245
When he testified before the WC, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig claimed he went down to the DPD in the afternoon of November 22, 1963, and identified LHO as the man he'd seen enter the Nash Rambler station wagon. Craig recalled being brought into the interrogation room where DPD Captain John William Fritz asked LHO a few questions. When asked if Craig had ever been brought into his office and been "in the presence of Oswald", Fritz told the WC that Craig must have "looked through that glass [window] and saw him from the outside because I am sure of one thing, that I didn't bring him in the office with Oswald." Fritz further explained (see 7CH404) that he recalled a man "coming into my outer office" while LHO was in his "private office" and that had he "brought this officer into my inner office I feel sure that I would remember it." There are indeed photographs (e.g. see Chapter 7 of reference #188 and page 27 of reference #226t below) of what appears to be Craig standing inside Fritz's outer office, adjacent to the room where LHO was interrogated. However, the photographs might have been taken on November 23 rather than November 22. While some doubt the man in the pictures is Craig, his former colleagues (see reference #101c, endnote #891, "the story about being in Captain Fritz's office", page 497) identified him as Craig. However, DPD Detective T.L. Baker (all records suggest the letters T and L were his actual given name rather than initials) told author Vincent Bugliosi in 1999 (see pages 890-891 of reference #101c) that Craig never entered Fritz's office at any point. Instead, Craig supposedly waited in Baker's office while Baker spoke with Fritz on Craig's behalf. Baker was certain that Craig "made up the story about being in Captain Fritz's office" because he "didn't enter the room." He was "absolutely positive about that."
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#o2CH506
The Nash Rambler station wagon reportedly seen by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig was originally described by him as either white or light-colored. Years later, Craig began describing the car as either green or light-green. This change was likely prompted by Craig's mistaken belief that "Ruth Paine [...] owned a Rambler station wagon [...] of this same color." Craig was attempting to establish a link between LHO, Ruth Avery Paine, and the Nash Rambler station wagon he'd seen. However, Paine did not own a Nash Rambler. When she testified before the WC, Paine explained that she owned a "1955 Chevrolet station wagon, green, needing paint". While Paine described the car as "green", it was arguably more turquoise or even bluish. An FBI report (see 24CH697) described the car's color as "two tone green". Furthermore, I'm unaware of any photographs (or descriptions) of Paine's 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air that show a luggage rack attached to the roof. This is significant because Craig identified the car as a Nash Rambler "because it had a built-in luggage rack on the top". See references below for a few photographs of Paine's car.
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1961The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
According to the Sixth Floor Museum, this black-and-white photograph of Ruth Avery Paine's house in Irving was taken in 1961 with her 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air station wagon parked in the driveway. While difficult to confirm, the rear of Paine's car also appears to be visible in photograph #15 in reference #4d.
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November 17, 2022Michael GranberryDallas Morning News
This article features a color photograph of Ruth Avery Paine standing beside her 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air station wagon. Some sources say it was taken in 1963, but I was unable to verify that date. The color of the car is distinctly blue. However, the car has more of a turquoise or greenish hue in other copies of this photograph.
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November 22, 2021WRIC ABC 8NewsYouTube
The car has a turquoise finish in this 2021 news segment about Ruth Avery Paine's 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air station wagon.
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1982Michael L. KurtzTe Uniersity of Tennessee PressP. 132 & 189
According to author Michael Kurtz, he interviewed a woman named Helen Forrest on May 17, 1974. Kurtz wrote that Forrest told him she stood "on the incline near the Grassy Knoll" at some unspecified time during November 22, 1963. Forrest had then seen "a man suddenly run from the rear of the Depository building, down the incline, and then enter a Rambler station wagon." The man apparently bore such a stark resemblance to LHO that it prompted Forrest to remark, "If it wasn't Oswald, it was his identical twin." Apart from her brief mention in this book (by an author firmly in camp conspiracy), there's no evidence a Helen Forrest was in Dealey Plaza on November 22. Kurtz adds that a man named James Pennington "corroborated Craig's story, for they, too, saw Oswald flee the building and enter the station wagon." Kurtz does not cite a source for this information, and I could not track one down myself. It should also be noted that DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig never saw anyone leave the TSBD. Craig's claim was that he saw a man run toward Elm Street on the grass adjacent to the TSBD.
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#tCover-Up: The Governmental Conspiracy to Conceal he Fact About the Public Execution of John Kennedy1976J. Gary ShawP. 14-18
According to author Gary Shaw, DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig is visible in this sequence of photographs taken around 10 minutes after the shooting. In the background of one photograph, a car (identified by Shaw as a Nash Rambler station wagon) can be seen driving west on Elm Street. Shaw implied that the vehicle in this black-and-white photograph was the same Nash Rambler station wagon reportedly seen by Craig. The clock and temperature display attached to the large Hertz sign atop the roof of the TSBD reads 12:40 PM, which was one of multiple time estimates offered by Craig. If the man identified by Shaw is indeed Craig, he's standing in the wrong location. Craig always held that he stood on the grass on the south side of Elm Street inspecting what was believed to be a slug or bullet hole. The man in the photograph is standing in the street near the north curb.
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November 22, 1963Phillip LaFrance WillisThe Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
For the sake of completion, here's a photograph showing a person entering/exiting a 1964 Mercury Colony Park station wagon in the middle of Elm Street shortly after the assassination. It's too early, the wrong make and model, and the person is entering/exiting the vehicle from the wrong direction to be the man described by DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig and others. But it shows that at least one other person might have done exactly what Craig reportedly saw. According to reference #36o (page 23, vehicle #16), the man entering/exiting the vehicle was Julian Otis Read, press secretary for Texas Governor John Bowden Connally. But Read was on a press bus (probably the one right behind the car in this photograph) which he rode all the way to Parkland Hospital. According to reference #103g (page 176), the man was William Otho Stinson, Connally's administrative assistant. I could find no reason to doubt this identification.
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1993David B. Perry
An article about DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig and the color of the Nash Rambler station wagon he reportedly saw.
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John McAdams
In this article, author John McAdams summarized many of the conspiracy arguments and inconsistencies regarding DCSO Deputy Sheriff Roger Dean Craig.
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#227Frazier's Gunman
Buell Wesley Frazier published his autobiography in 2021. Frazier was then 77 years old, and he made some rather explosive claims. For instance, Frazier recalled that he was nearly tricked into signing a "typed confession" by DPD Captain John William Fritz. When Frazier refused to sign, Fritz supposedly "threw his hand up to strike me, hit me." Frazier also recalled seeing a man with a rifle apparently staking out the house of his sister, Linnie Mae Randle, on November 23, 1963. Years later, Frazier concluded that "the man in that blue car was there to kill me and hurt my family." Events like these drove Frazier to distrust authorities, and for the next 58 years, he kept his mouth shut about coming face-to-face with a gunman "a short time" after the shooting. This encounter occurred "in the area of the angle parking" somewhere "out in front" of the TSBD, west of the main entrance. The man supposedly "walked up carrying a rifle" which he placed in the trunk (Frazier described it as "the backseat" at one point) of a car, alongside "what appeared to be a pump shotgun." The man was calm, "in his own world", and appeared to be in his late thirties. He wore light-brown shoes, light-beige slacks, a white shirt, a tie, a brown-colored plaid tweed sports coat, and a brown fedora. Frazier got the impression that "this guy was a pro" because his shoes "probably cost several hundred dollars" and his clothing "was immaculate." He could recall no one else in the vicinity and claimed that he and the gunman were the only ones "there at the car." It should be noted that dozens of officers, reporters, and spectators swarmed this general area within seconds of the shooting, specifically on the lookout for a gunman. Frazier did not see the gunman drive away but "heard the car door open and close, the car start, and him pull out of the angled parking spot." Moments later, Frazier stood at the northwest corner of Elm and Houston Street when he spotted LHO approaching from the north. LHO supposedly "comes off the dock" (the north loading dock) and casually strolled south along the west sidewalk of Houston Street. About "10 feet or so" (3 meters) before reaching Elm Street, LHO turned left and diagonally crossed over to the east sidewalk of Houston Street. He continued across Elm Street before Frazier lost sight of him in the crowd. The strolling November 22 gunman was evidently not the same as the stalking November 23 gunman. Frazier's claims are interesting, but they're in desperate need of substantiation. Six decades is a long time for memories to drift. It's also not the first time Frazier has amended his testimony (e.g. see reference #35e).
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2021Buell Wesley FrazierPage Publishing, Inc.
This ebook lack page numbers, but the LHO sighting is first mentioned in Chapter IV, while the gunman encounter is first mentioned in Chapter XIX.
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January 11, 2022SixthFloorMuseumYouTube
Buell Wesley Frazier was interviewed by the Sixth Floor Museum in 2021 to coincide with the release of his new book. At 26:20 and 46:25, Frazier talks about the gunman encounter, and at 30:40, he talks about seeing LHO.
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November 22, 1963William AllenDallas Times Herald; The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
This is a photograph of DPD Captain John William Fritz (on the steps) and DPD Detective Elmer Loyd Boyd (on the sidewalk) emerging from the main entrance of the TSBD sometime after the shooting. Boyd is carrying a rifle in his right hand. Some authors have identified this rifle as a Remington Model 8. I can't speak for the accuracy of that identification, but it's definitely not a Carcano M91/38 (nor a Mauser; see reference #160). This photograph shows that at least one officer overtly carried a rifle around Dealey Plaza shortly after the shooting. It's, therefore, possible the gunman whom Buell Wesley Frazier allegedly encountered was a plainclothesman with a rifle. However, it must be emphasized that no one else reported what Frazier reportedly saw in an area with plenty of witnesses.
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January 18, 2011The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
Mary Madeline Hollies was interviewed by the Sixth Floor Museum in 2011. At 72 years old, Hollies made some incredible claims. In 1963, Hollies lived at 242 West Davis Street, Oak Cliff, Dallas (see reference #114), a few blocks south of LHO's rooming house at 1026 North Beckley Avenue (see reference #17). According to Hollies, she and LHO rode the same bus to work "every day" and "many times he sat next to me." Hollies even claimed she "rode the bus with him the day that he shot the President, both coming into work and leaving." Hollies repeated this claim throughout the interview. LHO spent the night of November 21, 1963, in Irving (see reference #22) and carpooled to work with Buell Wesley Frazier on the morning of November 22. Furthermore, Hollies could not have taken the bus home with LHO as she left the TSBD after LHO was arrested. Anyway, during their commutes, Hollies claimed that LHO invited her to "communistic meetings" in Dallas and to go with him to Russia because "he was coming into a lot of money." One day, LHO invited Hollies to a party somewhere on Davis Street hosted by famed stripper Candy Barr because he "had to meet Jack Ruby there." At the TSBD, Hollies occasionally ate lunch with LHO in the second-floor lunchroom and claimed that "the only one I knew that worked for the School Depository was Lee Oswald." Back in 1964, Hollies told authorities she "was not acquainted with" and "did not know" LHO. Only after "viewing photographs of him in the newspapers and on television" did she recall "having seen him in the past in the lunchroom". During one of these lunches, two weeks before the assassination, Hollies and some of her female coworkers discussed the upcoming visit of JFK. Among those in the lunchroom were Ruth Nelson, Victoria Eleanor Adams, and an older lady whom Hollies referred to as "Alma" (possibly Yola Agnes Hopson). Some of them did not like JFK because they "did not approve of a Catholic President." During this conversation, LHO "popped up" and allegedly boasted, "Oh, you don't have to worry, I'm gonna shoot him anyway." Hollies and her colleagues brushed it off as a joke. On the morning of November 22, Hollies rode the passenger elevator with LHO and Dorothy Ann Garner. LHO was carrying "a brown paper package" that was "almost as tall as him" and Garner inquired, "What's in the package?" LHO supposedly responded, "Fishing rods." Shortly before the shooting, Hollies and Betty Alice Foster decided to watch the motorcade from the fifth floor. Back in 1964, both Hollies and Foster (see 706CD31) told authorities they watched the motorcade from the stockroom on the fourth floor. There's photographic evidence (see reference #224) of James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Harold Dean Norman watching the motorcade from the fifth floor. None of them recalled seeing anyone else on the fifth floor during the shooting. In that same photograph, there's someone watching the motorcade from the second window from the west on the fourth floor. This window was in the stockroom. Hollies even referred to the location on the fifth floor from which she and Foster supposedly watched the motorcade as "the stockroom" in this interview. The fifth floor had no rooms. Anyway, before Hollies and Foster went up to the fifth floor, they observed LHO ascending to the sixth floor on one of the freight elevators. When the shooting occurred, they were on the fifth floor, and Hollies heard two or three shots that sounded as though they came from inside the TSBD. Foster supposedly observed "some smoke from over at the knolly hill, the little knoll hill that was there." When asked to explain the contradictions between her 1964 statements and her statements in this interview, Hollies explained, "I was hiding a lot of information because I was terrified." Hollies also claimed she was "being followed" and her "phone was being tapped" by the FBI for six months after the assassination. A DPD report from early 1964 stated, "Miss Mary Hollies [...] has no telephone." There might be nuggets of truth here, but Hollies' memory has clearly suffered the passage of time. Almost everything she shared in this interview is either verifiably false, contradicted by other witnesses, or in severe lack of substantiation.
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#229Potential Misunderstandings
A common interview practice is to dictate using shorthand. While the interviewee answers questions, the interviewer employs abbreviations and fragmentary sentences to quickly jot down the gist of what's being said. The accounts of many witnesses to the JFK assassination were recorded this way. Sometime later, those shorthand notes were used to write up a summarized report. In many instances, those reports are all that remain today. While shorthand note-taking offers expedience, it's also vulnerable to misunderstanding. In one such report regarding the interrogations of LHO (see reference #193a), DPD Captain John William Fritz acknowledged the shortcomings of this practice when he wrote, "Inasmuch as this report was made from rough notes and memory, it is entirely possible that one of these questions could be in a separate interview from the one indicated in this report." Interviewers can easily misinterpret what a interviewee said or even their own shorthand notes. See reference #45 and reference #204 for two potential (but ultimately impossible to confirm) examples of this. The examples listed below are instances where a mistake can reasonably be suspected. Since these examples aim to illustrate a point, I've tried to only include instances that, even if true (meaning that something was misunderstood), they have minimal impact on the assassination. Many authors are quick to assign blame and attempt to ascribe intention or motive to these errors, but that's a treacherous undertaking. It's often impossible to determine why an error occurred, let alone whose at fault.
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#a205CD504
According to this FBI report, Roberta Bonnie Parker told them she believed the shots had come from "a cement memorial building to the north" of the TSBD. This is clearly a reference to the John Neely Bryan concrete pergola on the Grassy Knoll southwest of the TSBD. In fact, Parker would not have been able to see north of the TSBD from her position.
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February 17, 1964Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
According to this DPD interview with Victoria Eleanor Adams, she told them she watched the motorcade from the third floor. Adams worked on the fourth floor and had already told the FBI she watched the motorcade from the fourth floor.
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#c3CH171-172
After eating his lunch on the sixth floor around noon (see reference #48), Bonnie Ray Williams went to the fifth floor to watch the motorcade. According to an FBI report (see 5CD330), Williams told them he descended using the stairs. Williams was asked about this when he testified before the WC and insisted he never told the FBI he used the stairs.
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#d6CH386
In an affidavit (see 19CH499), Eddie Piper stated LHO had told him he was "going up" to eat lunch around noon. When he testified before the WC, Piper clarified that he'd actually told investigators that LHO either said "going up" or "going out". If true, it's a good example of how paraphrasing can excise small but crucial details.
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#e5CD370
Geneva Lucile Hine was in her office on the second floor of the TSBD at the time of the shooting. When questioned by the FBI, Hine reportedly told them she was sitting by her desk during the shooting and then went over to look out the windows along the east wall of the building. When she testified before the WC (see 6CH395), Hine explained at some length that she watched the motorcade from an east-facing window well before and during the shooting.
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#f706CD64
Judith Louise McCully reportedly told the FBI (see 5CD432) she had watched the motorcade from the fourth floor of the TSBD. When McCully was reinterviewed a few months later (which is the only reason we know about this), she recalled telling the FBI she had been on the fourth floor but now stated this was a mistake. McCully explained she had actually watched the motorcade from the front steps of the TSBD before returning to the fourth floor immediately after the shooting. While McCully admitted fault, the error is so baffling one can not help but wonder if the blame should not still fall on the interviewer. An interviewer misinterpreting McCully's post-shooting return to the fourth floor as her watching the motorcade from the fourth floor is far easier to accept than McCully misremembering where she was during the shooting.
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February 17, 1964Dallas Police DepartmentDallas Municipal Archives; University of North Texas Libraries; The Portal to Texas History
According to this DPD interview, Madeleine Belle Reese told them she had been employed with the MacMillan Publishing Company with offices in the TSBD for two years. A month later, Reese reportedly told the FBI (see 706CD76) she'd been employed with the same company for "the past nineteen and one-half years". This is presumably a misunderstanding of how long Reese had worked in the TSBD building and how long she had been employed by the MacMillan Publishing Company, irrespective of location.
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#h2CH201
When questioned by the FBI (see 5CD19), James Richard Worrell reportedly told them he had a "profile view" of a man he'd seen running away from the TSBD (see reference #90). Worrell refuted this when he testified before the WC a few months later.
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#i2CH182
Arnold Louis Rowland told the WC that when he gave his affidavit (see 87CD271), his words were not recorded verbatim but restated by the officers and agents who questioned him. Rowland took especial issue with the use of the term "parade rest" to describe how the gunman he'd seen was holding the rifle. According to Rowland, he actually said "port arms". Now, Rowland was not the most reliable witness (see reference #76), so anything he said should be taken with a grain of salt. But this portion of his testimony is at least partially corroborated by his wife, Barbara Fay Rowland, in reference #229j below.
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Barbara Fay Rowland, much like her husband, Arnold Louis Rowland, emphasized that the DPD and FBI "restated everything we said" but she could not recall any specific inaccuracies.
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